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How does one know when they've reached the end of thier journey in this life? I often (probably 97% of the time) feel very suicidal. I have not, obviously, done anything yet as I'm still here. However, how do you know when it's time to give it all up? On the other hand, how do you know if things are getting better if you're so close to a situation you obviously have very little to no objectivity? Any insight would be appreciated.

I don't know you, Wind_Drinker, but I think the fact that you're still alive, despite feeling so unhappy, and also the fact that you're asking for other people's input on this forum, suggest that you don't really want to give up just yet.

What's brought you to this point, though? Do you have any people around you to talk to about this? Sometimes people close to you can help you to put things into perspective. There are lots of caring people here on WP, too, so you don't have to feel alone with this.

Please get yourself some proper support, and take care. Jenny

As long as you're alive, there's potential for change.
Killing yourself pretty much ends that opportunity.

Something in you definitely wants to live, and find a way to express itself.

What is it?

{{{hugs}}}

I think you get to the end of your journey when you die. I know what ya mean because I'm ALWAYS dealing with deep depression and some suicidal thoughts.

What keeps me from hurting myself is this: I believe all human life is sacred, even my own. If that wasn't true, then what would the point be of keeping people alive in the face of the futility of disease and age? If life wasn't so important, why do we work so hard to preserve it?

And when I say I feel suicidal, I mean that I feel like I WISH I could do something. When I was a lot younger, I would just close my eyes and imagine myself just wasting away. And then after I'd be hungry for 2 or 3 hours, I'd go get something to eat and eventually the depression would pass. If you really think about it, suicide really doesn't make much sense.

It's really amazing to think about and know how pathetic I really could be back in the day. Now, not only do I have REAL problems, but I have a family that is affected every day by those problems. Perhaps what happened to me in the past, which was no big deal in retrospect, just made me better able to handle what I'm going through now.

So to answer your questions directly: It's NEVER time to give it all up. Reevaluate your options, perhaps. Maybe consider a different path. But not give up. I lost 3 good-paying jobs in 5 years that I spent nearly 7 years preparing for before I gave up and started working for myself. I still need time to decide if it was worth it, but I'm much happier than I was! If you're in college and it's not working out, change your major. There are always options.

The other question: I don't believe it gets better if by "getting better" you really mean getting easier. There is no success that makes you set for life. To be successful, you have to build on your past successes and find a way for each to exceed the last. Giving up is easy because it means you don't have to work any more. Life doesn't work that way. Your curse is having to outdo yourself from day to day. But don't worry. Just because you have to work harder doesn't mean you can't take time to smile at your past successes. It just means you can't spend all of your time doing that!

I agree with jenny. Don't be afraid to ask for some help, especially from a counselor or therapist. All I can give you is my own experience; a professional can help you get to the root of your problems.

I don't know if what kinds of music you like but you should hear 'Half way there' by Rise Against. Listen to the words.

Definitely keep at it. Life has its rewards, and its challenges. Therapists, friends, and even online communities like WP here can be good sources of info and ideas to work through the difficult, depressing times. Whatever inspires, motivates, impresses, or otherwise absorbs your attention is a good place to look for meaning and motivation in your life.

Since I don't know you I can't make any specific suggestions. And I won't bother with the usual piffle or banalities given as "advice" to people who are depressed or thinking about suicide. There are several other threads here about suicide, which I'm sure you've noticed. I hope you'll read them all and realize that there are many ways to fight depression and win, to find meaning and value in your life, and to feel better about your existence.

A friend of mine attempted suicide a couple years back. Though she is still depressed at times, she is glad her attempt failed. She finds pleasure and meaning in her hobbies, and in particular in her cat, who is a truly amazing cat. I know that most people think that it's the big things, from awards and prestige to social or financial success that matter, but I've seen many examples among non-NTs of the little things making the big difference.

Hope this helps.