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17 Mar 2008, 7:10 pm

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I'm a libertarian, so I don't think that any of these should be "illegal". I also don't believe in morality. But I'll give an "against" to politics and war.


Isn't rape an initiation of force? Shouldn't that make it illegal?


I'm not that kind of libertarian, I'm sort of more radical. I don't think that laws have any validity. Even without the absolute rule of law, a rapist would receive due retribution for what he did, from the victim, the victim's family, or members of the community (including, but not requiring, the possibility of private police forces and courts), and he'd face the same social stigma against him. The difference would be that there would be no widespread government, since in a universal sense everything is permitted, and government diminishes freedom and has no valid authority (I would also argue that it's not useful, except for those who seek power). I know that my position is pretty radical, so I don't want to start a big debate.



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17 Mar 2008, 7:18 pm

Incest: Against

Pedophilia: Against

Gay Marriage: For

Gay Adoption: For

Sex Change Operations: For

Rape/Sexual Abuse: Against

Polygamy: Depends

Interracial Marriages/Relationships: For

Religion: Depends

War: Depends

Beastiality: Against

Freedom Of Speech: For

Prayer In Public School: Depends

Racism: Against

Sexism: Against

Bullying/Harrassment: Against

Politics: For

Adult Pornography: Depends

Child Pornography: Against


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17 Mar 2008, 7:50 pm

RainKing wrote:
biostructure wrote:
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I'm a libertarian, so I don't think that any of these should be "illegal". I also don't believe in morality. But I'll give an "against" to politics and war.


Isn't rape an initiation of force? Shouldn't that make it illegal?


I'm not that kind of libertarian, I'm sort of more radical. I don't think that laws have any validity. Even without the absolute rule of law, a rapist would receive due retribution for what he did, from the victim, the victim's family, or members of the community (including, but not requiring, the possibility of private police forces and courts), and he'd face the same social stigma against him. The difference would be that there would be no widespread government, since in a universal sense everything is permitted, and government diminishes freedom and has no valid authority (I would also argue that it's not useful, except for those who seek power). I know that my position is pretty radical, so I don't want to start a big debate.


I'm not sure that Libertarian is the right choice... you sound a little more anarchistic to me. :) Not that there is anything wrong with a little anarchy. I often think the US could use a little less George Bush and a little more anarcy. hehe.



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17 Mar 2008, 9:03 pm

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I'm not sure that Libertarian is the right choice... you sound a little more anarchistic to me. :) Not that there is anything wrong with a little anarchy. I often think the US could use a little less George Bush and a little more anarcy. hehe.


Yes, I'm an anarchist. There are different kinds of anarchists and liberatarians. Some anarchists are libertarians, some are communists. Some libertarians are anarchists, some are minarchists. :)



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17 Mar 2008, 9:07 pm

Incest: Against

Pedophilia: Against

Gay Marriage: For

Gay Adoption: For

Sex Change Operations: For

Rape/Sexual Abuse: Against

Polygamy: Against

Interracial Marriages/Relationships: For

Religion: Depends

War: Depends

Bestiality: Against

Freedom Of Speech: For

Prayer In Public School: Against

Racism: Against

Sexism: Against

Bullying/Harrassment: Against

Politics: Depends

Adult Pornography: Depends

Child Pornography: Against


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17 Mar 2008, 9:37 pm

Incest: Depends
Pedophilia: Against
Gay Marriage: Against
Gay Adoption: For
Sex Change Operations: Depends
Rape/Sexual Abuse: Against
Polygamy: Depends
Interracial Marriages/Relationships: For
Religion: For
War: Depends
Beastiality: Depends
Freedom Of Speech: For
Prayer In Public School: For
Racism: Against
Sexism: Against
Bullying/Harrassment: Against
Politics: Depends
Adult Pornography: For
Child Pornography: Against



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17 Mar 2008, 11:50 pm

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18 Mar 2008, 2:05 pm

RainKing wrote:
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I'm not sure that Libertarian is the right choice... you sound a little more anarchistic to me. :) Not that there is anything wrong with a little anarchy. I often think the US could use a little less George Bush and a little more anarcy. hehe.


Yes, I'm an anarchist. There are different kinds of anarchists and liberatarians. Some anarchists are libertarians, some are communists. Some libertarians are anarchists, some are minarchists. :)


Ok, I'll bite... what's a "minarchist"?



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18 Mar 2008, 4:46 pm

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I'm not sure that Libertarian is the right choice... you sound a little more anarchistic to me. :) Not that there is anything wrong with a little anarchy. I often think the US could use a little less George Bush and a little more anarcy. hehe.


Yes, I'm an anarchist. There are different kinds of anarchists and liberatarians. Some anarchists are libertarians, some are communists. Some libertarians are anarchists, some are minarchists. :)


Ok, I'll bite... what's a "minarchist"?


Minarchists want a small, minimal government that protects property rights.



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18 Mar 2008, 5:18 pm

RainKing wrote:
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I'm not sure that Libertarian is the right choice... you sound a little more anarchistic to me. :) Not that there is anything wrong with a little anarchy. I often think the US could use a little less George Bush and a little more anarcy. hehe.


Yes, I'm an anarchist. There are different kinds of anarchists and liberatarians. Some anarchists are libertarians, some are communists. Some libertarians are anarchists, some are minarchists. :)


Ok, I'll bite... what's a "minarchist"?


Minarchists want a small, minimal government that protects property rights.


Ooooh, I think I may be part minarchist.



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18 Mar 2008, 11:05 pm

Incest: against

Pedophilia: against

Gay Marriage: for

Gay Adoption: for

Sex Change Operations: for

Rape/Sexual Abuse: against

Polygamy: depends

Interracial Marriages/Relationships: for

Religion: for(as long as its not mandatory by law)

War: against

Beastiality: against

Freedom Of Speech: for

Prayer In Public School: for(not mandatory)

Racism: against

Sexism: against

Bullying/Harrassment: against

Politics: i think most politicians are scumbags

Adult Pornography: for

Child Pornography: against



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19 Mar 2008, 2:31 am

Heres my 2 cents

Incest: Against

Pedophilia: Against - Child molesters should be shot or tortchered then shot

Gay Marriage: Against - I am for civil unions for gays, just don't call it marriage

Gay Adoption: Against

Sex Change Operations: For

Rape/Sexual Abuse: Against

Polygamy: Against

Interracial Marriages/Relationships: For

Religion: Depends how nutty it is, ie; Tom Cruise

War: Depends

Bestiality: Against - get a human sicko

Freedom Of Speech: For

Prayer In Public School: Against

Racism: Against

Sexism: Against

Bullying/Harassment: Against

Politics: For

Adult Pornography: Depends

Child Pornography: Against - Child molesters should be shot or tortchered then shot, people who like to look at it should have their eyes torn out before getting the above



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19 Mar 2008, 7:12 am

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I'm personally shocked by how many people seem to think pedophilia is the act of child molestation. I would have thought that this community would be a little more logical when it comes to classification differences.

(In other words, pedophilia is not child molestation, and Attraction =/= Action)


Indeed the word pedophile merely meens "lover of children" not sure how it became a sexual term, I for one enjoy drawing child characters because I find innocence very attractive, I would never lay hand on a child however (Or draw a child in a 'compromised possition')

I am more concerned by the two "Always" comments in your post. Surely you don't think that all Incest and all pornography is good? What about snuff porn (Or whatever it is called when the female is killed during sex) And obviously there is bound to be some (if not most) cases of incest where one party isn't consenting, those cases can't be good as I am sure you agree as you but "against" at rape.

BDSM isn't rape btw, it is a game. Just like paintball isn't war and boxing isn't brawling. Following rules makes the difference.


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19 Mar 2008, 7:42 am

I don't know about the english terminology of pedophilia other than how it's used in our culture which is an adult who takes sexual interests to children. In that case, I would be against. Funny how sex can also be a form of abuse to an unwilling victim. Children are usually immature and afraid when it comes to something such as this. It's clearly been proven that it does do damage to them pyschologically and affects them as adults.



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19 Mar 2008, 8:00 am

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I don't know about the english terminology of pedophilia other than how it's used in our culture which is an adult who takes sexual interests to children. In that case, I would be against. Funny how sex can also be a form of abuse to an unwilling victim. Children are usually immature and afraid when it comes to something such as this. It's clearly been proven that it does do damage to them pyschologically and affects them as adults.


Well obviously harming children is bad. In my oppinion the very worst thing imaginable! But if you look at the literal meaning of pedophile (Pedos= child) (Phile = to love/lover) it isn't sexual. I am asexual, I have no sexual interest in anyone, but I am attracted to sertain character traits, innocence amongst them. In the litteral meaning of the word that makes me a pedophile, but I would sooner cut out my liver and put salt in the wound then I would ever harm a child!


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