i want a clone

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in fact, i want many of them. a clone army!

that would be so cool

and i'd have a basement with the experimental clones, the neglected and tortured ones. ill deliberately teach one clone all messed up nonsensical language, another i will raise by constantly changing the rules, praising and punishing randomly

one thing they would ALL know is this:
i am real, they are not. i will show them birth sertificates and other proof, in case they decide to challenge my authority. if they get out of line, i will simply dispose of them, as they are my own property.

clones are property right? :/

Would you be able to do that to a creature that is of you, without feeling remorse?

you said it... "creature" :]

its a good question, and some of the point, the EXCITEMENT of the idea lies precisely there!

COULD YOU?
knowing that its YOUR/MY stupid face thats doing all the grinning-in-pain, screaming and crying? hahaha

Human beings are creatures though.



I don't think it's much different than asking, "If slavery existed in your society and you owned a slave (who had no rights) from her birth, would you abuse her?"

Anyway, I have facial injuries which my clone would not have, so it wouldn't be my face screaming.

no, NO slave population has ever been created out of a laboratory w the sole purpose of serving a master. theyve been born out of a womb, into a world. besides, slavery exists in my society, yours too, and none of us are condoning it.

i would see my clones as purely synthetic. all matter is chemical anyway, and my clone would simply be a copy of me, with all the biological capabilities i have. what would be the better test subject? a human born free, or a human born in a lab, with the sole purpose of research and experimentation?

i would also like to add, death and pain are just as sacred as life. also, its a known fact that once you dehumanize someone, its easyer to watch them suffer, just ask all the war-on-terror enthusiasts out there

I didn't know that slavery exists, at least legally, in our society (I assume we are both part of roughly the same society). If it does, then I must be condoning it, because I haven't seen it.



If we take two humans, one from a womb and the other from a lab, why is it that the one from the lab is a better test subject (assuming no "differences" such as quadriplegia or Alice in Wonderland syndrome)? Wouldn't either of the two do just as well for a subject? If we chose the clone, it would be to circumvent law, rather than because of any valid moral reason.



I'm not sure what you mean about death and like being sacred, but I agree with you on it being easy to see something dehumanised suffer.

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Are human clones considered property? I had a wee look on the internet, but couldn't find anything which said whether they were or not.

prostitution and most human trafficking often falls under slavery. here, many prostitutes are picked up right from russia, eastern europe and sub-saharan africa, many of them simply tricked and kidnapped. happens all over the world. its not legal tho, but slavery isnt a thing of the past. lots of drug-farms, including cannabis, are also run on slavery. just last year TEN slavecamps were found here in norway, around oslo, ran by vietnamese people.



a valid point.



i smell a loophole!

*rubs my evil hands*

I'd forgotten about this kind of slavery until after I'd made the post.



Uh oh!

we forget and overlook it, i guess in a similar way as they did before us :]

slaves has always been overlooked, with convenient reasons to do so. people cant accept injustice, when its all around us constantly, so, we need to make it seem nice. the vikings saw their celtic slaves as bounty. people who allowed their capture, by not fighting bravely enough. to my knowledge, they treated their slaves well enough, and in some cases could "up" their status to a councler or something like that.

Much later black people pick cotton. people then overlook slavery, helped by racism. believing black people arent "really people", classifying them as semi-humans in zoological books, even keeping then in the zoo (one case that i know of, in the US).
the dehumanization factor

now in the modern society, we overlook slavery by regarding slaves as worthless trash. the hookers and the prostitutes, again, people tend to give them a sub-human label. someone who's drowned down in problems, that are assumed to be either
1. brought on by themselves or
2. brought on by others, but let on by themselves, by not being as strong as others.

now
with my clone, the degradation wouldnt be a miss.
they were really born FOR my experiments. they were deliberately created for that purpose, and they were created out of copying my genetic material, under laboratory conditions

to be honest, ONE clone of me would freak me the hell out
i dunno why im pushing for this whole clone idea

sleepy

(sleepy indeed. i went back and corrected goddamn TEN typos! one by one mind you. ill probably go back and correct this edit too... )

I'd love to have a bunch of clones after me, it would be awesome having a bunch of me's to talk to.

I'd like a clone of my own. We'd hang out like roommates and all he'd have to do is get a part-time job to cover his food and expenses. He could also work on all side-projects when I'm at work. I wouldn't even need to ask him because he's me and he'd do it anyway. Then we could wander around telling everyone we're twins.

food for thought

would jacking your clone off, be the same as homosexuality? or incest???

If you're talking about one feasible by todays scientific standards (as opposed to the accelerated growth, memory upload types from science fiction), and let's say it somehow works without any complications, you'll have a baby you, and will still have to raise it.

Though if I had some carbon copies of myself it'd be pretty awesome, I know myself pretty well, imagine how it'd be in a sports game or tactical squad?

yeah, i imagine the baby-me's, because i can do experiments raising them, such as messing up their language-learning skills, opposing all natural norms, such as randomly rewarding/punishing for various actions

stuff that would simply be deemed cruel under normal circumstances

and hah a buncha me's in a sports game ahaha that would be a saaaad game, like a whole field of me's avoiding the football

You could just make a family and buy a copy of the sims

I would like a female clone of myself so we could be happy together forevah , i mean the idea of cloning is just<3<3<3<3, who gives a s*** if they don't come out from ya know. Cloning is beter than birth because it prevents chick from PAAAAIIIIIIIN, and then we wouldn't have to worry about f****** and waiting 9 months to have kids