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28 Jun 2009, 11:28 am

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I do believe that we are intended to eat them.

Er, could you expand on this?


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28 Jun 2009, 11:39 am

I don't eat meat because it doesn't feel natural to me.
May as well have a go at me for having brown eyes, it doesn't make sense.



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28 Jun 2009, 6:22 pm

Well, my mum is vegetarian and she has never forced her beliefs on me.

Probably a good thing, really, since I'm largely carnivorous :P

For the record, I eat meat even though I'm no fan of animal cruelty (like, say, fox-hunting or badger-baiting). The animals in the slaughterhouses are being slaughtered for a purpose - as they would be in the wild, let's face it - whereas people maiming and killing animals purely because they want to go on a power trip is really rather distasteful. You don't see lions chasing and killing gazelles just for giggles, after all. They kill other animals and then they eat them.

Mind you, eating too much meat does have its problems. Why, even Tyrannosaurus Rex, one of the most fearsome and exclusively meat-eating creatures that has ever lived, has been found to have evidence of gout in its fossilised bones.

Karmic payback? You decide :)


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28 Jun 2009, 7:31 pm

Henriksson wrote:
Blasty wrote:
I do believe that we are intended to eat them.

Er, could you expand on this?


That's really all there is to it. Look at how our teeth are made, and the fact that people have been eating meat pretty much since they came to be. By our design, humans are supposed to eat both meat and vegetables, not just one or the other. I'm not saying we don't have the freedom of choice, just that we're designed to make use of both.



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28 Jun 2009, 7:42 pm

Blasty wrote:
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Blasty wrote:
I do believe that we are intended to eat them.

Er, could you expand on this?


That's really all there is to it. Look at how our teeth are made, and the fact that people have been eating meat pretty much since they came to be. By our design, humans are supposed to eat both meat and vegetables, not just one or the other. I'm not saying we don't have the freedom of choice, just that we're designed to make use of both.

In early human history, we were intolerant to lactose. But through continued exposure to milk, we became tolerant to it.

Now, hunting was a major catalyst for the human species. It paved the way for civilization. Thus, we evolved to eat meat.

But you can't say we were 'designed' or 'intended' to eat meat. It just happens to be another peculiarity in evolutionary process, and is not a very good argument.

Or are you saying an omnipotent, omniscient being wants you, a carbon-based organism, to gain nutrition through other organisms of the animal kingdom?


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29 Jun 2009, 1:37 am

My wording may be inaccurate then. Firstly, I don't believe in intellegent design. I don't wish to start a debate; only to answer one of your questions.

Second, I agree with you that our carnivorous traits could have evolved long ago. I'm no expert on early man, but I do know that humans have been hunting for an incredibly long time before recorded history. Perhaps "designed" is the wrong word, or maybe not. One could argue that evolution is a natural design process, even if there isn't an intelligent designer behind it. Regardless, our bodies are clearly built, through evolution or whatever "made" us, to handle both meat and vegetables. Just the same as some animals are built, or intended by nature (whatever one believes nature to be) to eat vegetables only, or meat only.

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but that's as clearly as I can put it. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what I'm trying to say. Point is, my body is built for processing meat, which I am more than happy to do! :D



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05 Aug 2009, 5:46 pm

But hey, I love most vegetarian meals, especially meat analogues. Sometimes, I'd eat veg dishes just for either variation or for the kick of it. The only thing I really hate is the propaganda those tree- and animal-huggers (such as PeTA) keep on shoving down in our throats. I mean, it's not bad to be either vegetarian or vegan; it's a matter of preference. What's bad is those jerk-offs that promote hate and fear among us just for us to emulate whatever BS they do and stuff, to the point that they harm other people.



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07 Aug 2009, 12:04 pm

I think i's funny how people describe themselves are carnivores

Wouldn't a human carnivore have all sorts of problems?



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07 Aug 2009, 1:04 pm

I love the way loads people expect MEAT to be in everything... My ex spat out some food and almost screamed, "Where's the chicken?" When she told me that, I laughed... Almost like having meat for breakfast as a cereal - in milk. (Excluding the obvious fry-up)



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07 Aug 2009, 9:49 pm

Meat for breakfast? Makes sense. But eat meat like a breakfast cereal with milk? Can't imagine.



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08 Aug 2009, 11:18 am

I also find anti-cancer meat raffles terribly ironic



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08 Aug 2009, 5:15 pm

I am with lot of other and don't care what you eat has long has you don't enforce me to do the same, if you want I gladly accept your invite for a vegan dinner, I just eat what available has long has I can support texture or taste.

And I don't get the point of why it worse to kill an animal then a plant, I think the two deserve the same respect has a lifeform.

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Has for one who commented on milk intolerance earlier, actually the way it work is that only very rare human are born with lactose intolerance (else a lot of baby would be unable to drink their mother milk), what happen is most human have a gene that trigger reduction of lactase which make them become less tolerant has they age at a rate that change depending if you consume lactose or not, but there is also the gene that don't have that trigger which happen to now be the majority in some region of the world since it took a huge place in the survival of society in the past (has for knowing which % had the gene before one decide to drink milk from something else then a women breast in those region, only way to know would be in dept DNA test of body predating animal domestication in said region, and I don't know of any having been done)



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08 Aug 2009, 10:55 pm

That is a great way to look at it, I would love to invite you over for a vegan/vegetarian dinner, if you like taste try going to an Indian restaurant,the last Indian restaurant I went to was a Hare Krishna place up in Melbourne, the food may not look too appealing but you will really enjoy it if taste is what you are looking for
People don't stay vegetarian for very long unless they know how to make something good of it

I became vegetarian because I wanted to push myself in to eating healthy
I later found that there is a sense of taste you get, an appreciation you get for variety, it is nearly impossible to feel this good about life while still eating meat

I don't hate a meat eater for not experiencing this, I wish everyone could experience this, I wish I could explain to you how feels being a true vegetarian



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05 Sep 2011, 4:03 am

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Anyone else have a real problem with vegetarians. They seem to be so high and mighty and who are they to tell us we cant eat meat. If people could not eat meat how would the Eskimos in Alaska survive. Im a meat eater and dont go preaching meat eating as the ultimate so then why should vegetarians.

I dislike you because you're an arrogant arse hole. How does that sound?



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05 Sep 2011, 9:36 am

sometimes they get on my nerves abit



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05 Sep 2011, 9:39 am

I like vegetarians, but I couldn't eat a whole one. Image