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08 Jun 2011, 1:20 pm

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It's easy to make fun of people that are different to you. :(

Is you dissing me LOL :D

:? I don't think it's disrespectful to say that I feel sad reading this thread.



I would add that it's actually WRONG to mock victims of Thatcherism. It really is in bad taste.



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08 Jun 2011, 5:24 pm

I grew up around chavs (or scallies) and I really should sort of be one. I could never be like that. I come from a very working class background but apart from my accent, you really can't tell. Part of the whole trauma of growing up for me was that I was weird because of my autistic traits and weird because I really can't be chavvy.


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09 Jun 2011, 1:19 pm

calm down..............

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09 Jun 2011, 1:41 pm

pratchettfan wrote:
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It's easy to make fun of people that are different to you. :(


Hmmmm....I'm with Indy on this one. Most of these dimwitted terms seem to be nothing short of an assault on the poor. We rail against stereotypes being applied to us but don't much seem to mind resorting to them ourselves.

There is a difference - no one forces these horrible little scumbags to behave the way they do, it's a voluntary thing. They can choose not to be vermin, they just don't.



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09 Jun 2011, 2:15 pm

To call them working class is a joke how many did a hard days work in there life.
On a more serious point those who grow up in thease communitys relly dont have much choice.The way you are brought up will effect how you turn out. Thay belive thay are normal almost as thay see it every day and if thay actully make an effort thay might be alienated from the group.



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09 Jun 2011, 5:31 pm

IDontGetIt wrote:
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Indy wrote:
It's easy to make fun of people that are different to you. :(


Hmmmm....I'm with Indy on this one. Most of these dimwitted terms seem to be nothing short of an assault on the poor. We rail against stereotypes being applied to us but don't much seem to mind resorting to them ourselves.

There is a difference - no one forces these horrible little scumbags to behave the way they do, it's a voluntary thing. They can choose not to be vermin, they just don't.


You sound like Cameron;

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“Of course, circumstances — where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school and the choices your parents make — have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices people make.”


The problems of today's working class are the consequence of choices that Thatcher made.



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09 Jun 2011, 7:06 pm

In my country we call it a proletarian.



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09 Jun 2011, 8:32 pm

IDontGetIt wrote:
no one forces these horrible little scumbags to behave the way they do, it's a voluntary thing. They can choose not to be vermin, they just don't.


Scumbags? Vermin? Given that both can mean objectionable people, don't those tags fit you rather well? Your comments are deeply objectionable. You can choose not be vile. You just don't.



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10 Jun 2011, 4:49 am

Not everybody on Wrong Planet is middle class. Some of us have family who get called "chavs". It is horrible to see them being called scumbags and vermin by people who have never even met them. :(



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20 Jun 2011, 8:20 am

My own problem with chavs is that they live within a culture of stupid and actually look up to stupid as something to admire. All incompatible ways of thinking are stomped on hard by the group, to any that are sticking up for chavs I'd say that you need your head looking at, chavs arepretty much the most intolerant sub section of society. The whole lot of them are wilfully stupid and they like it.


I'm from stoke on trent, the capital of chav, I've got no time for them because I grew up around them, they really are the scum of the earth. It's easy to ignore them when you only encounter them occasionally, try the 8/10 in the area of stoke I'm from and you will start to agree with me.



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20 Jun 2011, 9:41 am

Chavs are not working class. They are usually the class below: benefits class.

Benefit-claiming chavs are not to be confused with people who genuinely need benefits (I claim them myself, as do others on here). Not all chavs are on benefits, but most are. It is also worth pointing out that most chavs are poor, but not all poor people are chavs. :wink:

I agree with the description of chavs and neds, but also agree with the people who are pointing out that it is not their fault. They usually come from a family of several generations of chavs, and the ones to blame are the ones a few generations back who first started skiving and decided it would be a good idea to stay at home and live off benefits they didn't need in the first place, and passed this ethos on to subsequent generations. Their children and grandchildren are, to a large extent, victims of their own upbringing. We should feel sorry for them rather than laugh at them.

At the same time, I find chavs and neds quite frankly terrifying, and extremely intimidating. There are some little girl neds in my street who often follow me along and shout taunts at me. The other day they were armed with sticks. They are only about 8 years old, but are fearless and have no respect for anyone or anything. Hearing their conversation gives an insight into their sad little world. They are often to be heard shouting at one another as they play and have their street fights:

Girl 1 "I hate you, you're a f***ing wee b****, your dad's on drugs"

Girl 2 "Well, your granny's on drugs and your mum's a f***ing slag and your brother smokes weed"

Girl 3 "Well, your whole family's on drugs, and you'd better run, 'casue I'm going to batter you" ("batter" = beat you up)

It is unlikely that all this exchange of insults is true; it's more a case of one-upmanship to see who can insult the other most. However, it illustrates that they are growing up in homes where drug-taking and foul language are the norm.

Yes, they are terrifying little savages. But can they really be blamed, if this is all they know? :cry: