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07 Nov 2015, 11:30 am

Ever since they legalized marijuana I've been obsessed with the idea of moving there. This obsession has intensified dramatically and I have started to really look into the idea. Not only is the weed situation horrendous in NJ, so is the job situation and cost of living situation. Not to mention I love the mountains.

So first off, what do any of you really like and hate about where you live? Weed aside, would you recommend someone moving to your state (keep in mind from NJ, so my standards are very low...)

I am thinking since both me and my wife must work (we are not on any assistance) we would have to live in a city where jobs can be found. We have no particular profession, just general office stuff like data entry and customer service, clerical etc. Keeping that in mind as well as wanting to be able to enjoy the weed culture of the state where would you recommend?

Are there any areas, particularly in the Denver area that are kind of sketchy? I've seen apartments in Denver for like 700 a month, which to me seems low. Wondering if they are in high crime areas.

Any insight is appreciated. I've never made a big dramatic move like this in my life but the time feels right to do something a little crazy and out of this little box I've bee imprisoned in for most of my adult life.

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13 Jan 2016, 1:06 pm

Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214

Also...

http://www.5280.com/news/magazine/2015/ ... state-boom

Seriously, people with a similar mentality to yours have made everything outrageously expensive, congested and miserable. I'm guessing rentals here are now far more expensive than similar rentals in comparable neighborhoods in the east coast, although I can't say I know for sure. If you found something for $700/mo it's probably in Park Hill, Five Points, northern Aurora, on Federal or something similar.

However, what I will say about living here is that ANY neighborhood you move to in the Denver area will be 1000 times safer/nicer than a "bad" neighborhood in a city like Chicago or New York. I lived in Chicago for about 3 years and it was horrifying compared to Denver. Just ten blocks north of my apartment in Homewood, the city looked like a third world country - that's not an over-exaggeration either. There are rows of "houses" repaired with scrap and plywood, whole blocks of abandoned, half-burned and crumbling buildings. Some of Chicago looks like it went through a civil war and was never rebuilt. And if you think that sounds bad, check out the town of Gary, Indiana. That particular part of the Midwest is an absolute cesspool. I came running back to Colorado first chance I got - there's not even anything comparable to those horrors here.

If you can respect the place you live in and the people who have lived here for all or most of their lives, then by all means, come out and contribute to the good of our community. Colorado is the most amazing place I have ever lived and I would highly recommend it to anyone. But expect to get some backlash and irritated scoffs from natives when you say you're from New Jersey and you moved here just because you like pot. Also, don't assume that we all smoke weed and that's a great topic of conversation or a good ice-breaker. It's more like your own private business, like how much alcohol you drink or what sort of cancer you have. Just don't use it to strike up a conversation, period. Try to be reserved and tactful on the subject when you talk to Coloradans.



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13 Jan 2016, 1:18 pm

After 2016 you're going to see probably the entire west coast and parts of New England have legal recreational weed, I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole country go green in the next 10 years. Things are changing fast, old people dying every day, it can't be stopped at this point. It would of passed in Ohio if it wasn't sank by a corrupted ballot measure, so goes Ohio so goes the nation right?



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13 Jan 2016, 1:23 pm

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After 2016 you're going to see probably the entire west coast and parts of New England have legal recreational weed, I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole country go green in the next 10 years. Things are changing fast, old people dying every day, it can't be stopped at this point. It would of passed in Ohio if it wasn't sank by a corrupted ballot measure, so goes Ohio so goes the nation right?


This is a great point too. In a few years it will probably be legal nearly everywhere. So maybe stick to your guns in NJ, DC or NY and see what happens.



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13 Jan 2016, 1:27 pm

I think Massachusetts and Maine will have it on the ballot this year, I think Vermont and Rhode Island are considering passing it thru the legislature. Don't be surprised if other states start trying to tackle it legislatively because the referendum process takes a lot of power out of their hands and at least here in Arizona severely limits how much they can screw around with the law which in our case is a good thing since the leaders here never would go along with it. Once the writing is on the wall, there will be states that will take things into their own hands.



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13 Jan 2016, 1:28 pm

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If you can respect the place you live in and the people who have lived here for all or most of their lives, then by all means, come out and contribute to the good of our community. Colorado is the most amazing place I have ever lived and I would highly recommend it to anyone. But expect to get some backlash and irritated scoffs from natives when you say you're from New Jersey and you moved here just because you like pot. Also, don't assume that we all smoke weed and that's a great topic of conversation or a good ice-breaker. It's more like your own private business, like how much alcohol you drink or what sort of cancer you have. Just don't use it to strike up a conversation, period. Try to be reserved and tactful on the subject when you talk to Coloradans.


It is certainly not good to assume everyone in the state smokes cannabis...but its not necessarily a bad conversation starter if you're talking to people who do smoke. But yeah its legal so its not like everyone's all secretive about it. A lot of people would think it's weird if you go out of your way to hide that you smoke...its just annoying if your obnoxious about it.


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13 Jan 2016, 1:33 pm

700 a month? Not sure I'd trust that...the lowest I seem to hear of is 900, and even that doesn't usually include utilities. Maybe there are some s**t holes for cheaper but you'll see why they are the cheapest if you look at them.


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14 Jan 2016, 6:58 am

xkandakex wrote:
Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214

Also...

http://www.5280.com/news/magazine/2015/ ... state-boom

Seriously, people with a similar mentality to yours have made everything outrageously expensive, congested and miserable. I'm guessing rentals here are now far more expensive than similar rentals in comparable neighborhoods in the east coast, although I can't say I know for sure. If you found something for $700/mo it's probably in Park Hill, Five Points, northern Aurora, on Federal or something similar.

However, what I will say about living here is that ANY neighborhood you move to in the Denver area will be 1000 times safer/nicer than a "bad" neighborhood in a city like Chicago or New York. I lived in Chicago for about 3 years and it was horrifying compared to Denver. Just ten blocks north of my apartment in Homewood, the city looked like a third world country - that's not an over-exaggeration either. There are rows of "houses" repaired with scrap and plywood, whole blocks of abandoned, half-burned and crumbling buildings. Some of Chicago looks like it went through a civil war and was never rebuilt. And if you think that sounds bad, check out the town of Gary, Indiana. That particular part of the Midwest is an absolute cesspool. I came running back to Colorado first chance I got - there's not even anything comparable to those horrors here.

If you can respect the place you live in and the people who have lived here for all or most of their lives, then by all means, come out and contribute to the good of our community. Colorado is the most amazing place I have ever lived and I would highly recommend it to anyone. But expect to get some backlash and irritated scoffs from natives when you say you're from New Jersey and you moved here just because you like pot. Also, don't assume that we all smoke weed and that's a great topic of conversation or a good ice-breaker. It's more like your own private business, like how much alcohol you drink or what sort of cancer you have. Just don't use it to strike up a conversation, period. Try to be reserved and tactful on the subject when you talk to Coloradans.


Thanks for the response. Thing is, I don't really care what anyone's attitude is about it. I'd be going there for my own personal good, not anyone elses. I mean I openly discuss drinking and smoking with people here in NJ when I come across the right types. So why would it be any different there? For people who are into that stuff it's a lifestyle. One that I can relate to.

All I know is it's cheaper then where I live now, nicer and I can buy weed. Count me in... I'm sure there are ton of people there who welcome new business. Just like anywhere, there are people with sticks up their asses, but what can you do about that? Coming from the most congested, polluted state with a top 5 cost of living will make anywhere look like paradise.

I mean I'm almost universally unliked most places I go, so I'd fit right in there.



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14 Jan 2016, 7:04 am

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700 a month? Not sure I'd trust that...the lowest I seem to hear of is 900, and even that doesn't usually include utilities. Maybe there are some s**t holes for cheaper but you'll see why they are the cheapest if you look at them.


Ok thanks. Yeah I mean I don't claim to have done extensive research, more just a cursory once over, or 10 times over, but not in terms of really drilling down into it. Thing is, I currently live in a small 600sq ft 1 br apartment that I pay 975 for. And it's about as sh***y a s**thole as s**tholes get. This place is quite literally falling apart, the parking lot id riddled with potholes and doesn't get paved, no one fixes s**t, it's horrible. To put it in perspective, if I were to move I'd have a hard time finding another apartment within 20 miles for under 1100/month. Private rentals in someon's attic or basement, but not doing tha

Sound like I could feasible move to the shittiest part of the Denver area and be fine. With some of the areas I've lived in, I'm not easily intimidated. If it's true the worst areas of the NYC metro area are way worse, then been there done that. Lived in Elizabeth NJ for 15 years. Talk about a f*****g warzone s**thole.



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14 Jan 2016, 7:06 am

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If you can respect the place you live in and the people who have lived here for all or most of their lives, then by all means, come out and contribute to the good of our community. Colorado is the most amazing place I have ever lived and I would highly recommend it to anyone. But expect to get some backlash and irritated scoffs from natives when you say you're from New Jersey and you moved here just because you like pot. Also, don't assume that we all smoke weed and that's a great topic of conversation or a good ice-breaker. It's more like your own private business, like how much alcohol you drink or what sort of cancer you have. Just don't use it to strike up a conversation, period. Try to be reserved and tactful on the subject when you talk to Coloradans.


It is certainly not good to assume everyone in the state smokes cannabis...but its not necessarily a bad conversation starter if you're talking to people who do smoke. But yeah its legal so its not like everyone's all secretive about it. A lot of people would think it's weird if you go out of your way to hide that you smoke...its just annoying if your obnoxious about it.


I'm also 37 and not a high school kid anymore. I don't go around with pot leaf T-Shirts talking about how weed will save the universe, bragging about how high I got last night. I just want the experience of walking into a store and buying a product I love without any fear. Whenever the hell I want. Not when this guy picks up again hoping it doesn't totally suck...



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14 Jan 2016, 7:14 am

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I think Massachusetts and Maine will have it on the ballot this year, I think Vermont and Rhode Island are considering passing it thru the legislature. Don't be surprised if other states start trying to tackle it legislatively because the referendum process takes a lot of power out of their hands and at least here in Arizona severely limits how much they can screw around with the law which in our case is a good thing since the leaders here never would go along with it. Once the writing is on the wall, there will be states that will take things into their own hands.


I hear you, I've heard that too about Mass and Maine. I've heard that NJ is a possibility once fat-ass, fake tough guy Christie gets the f**k outta here. I don't give a rats ass about politics, but that's one area that'll make me hate you. f**k with my weed. :lol:

But also supposedly Wash DC was supposed to pass some for of rec weed and I know it was caught up in some bureaucratic nonsense. But hop on the Amtrak Acela and I'd be down there in 90 minutes.

I should wait for an east cost state to do it, but I simply am too frustrated to. Because I literally have no friend, no social circle and no prospects for getting weed here, and that's simply unlivable. I have to wait around to my stepdad to pick up, whenever he does, and try to make 1/4s last me and wifey like 3-4 weeks. IMPOSSIBLE.

I've thought about simply flying out there, buying as much as I'm allowed/can afford and FedExing it back. I'd likely be willing to take the risk. I know my mom has gotten stuff mailed from Cali a few times with no issues. But this is desperation talk starting to become more than just talk...



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14 Jan 2016, 9:24 am

xkandakex wrote:
Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214


While I agree you shouldn't run around and piss people off by shoving weed down their throat 24/7. I don't know that I agree with the only be stoned at home thing, I mean granted you shouldn't drive and we should treat it like public intoxication but if you aren't hurting anyone; I don't see it being any different than being buzzed in a bar. In fact its arguably better if you don't have a low tolerance, I would much rather encounter a stoned person in public than a drunk. Furthermore while I agree its dangerous and should be illegal to drive stoned, I would rather have a stoned person on the road than a drunk. All weed really does is slow you down, makes you calmer, makes you look at things with a different perspective. I really don't care if someone is acting slowly in public, I do care if that person gets behind the wheel or starts making a scene.

Thats my opinion but hey I come from a state where public intoxication is actually completely legal. Its only illegal to be drunk in public in TN if you act drunk or cause problems, something I personally agree with. I really don't care who is stoned or drunk walking down the street so long as they don't bother me with it.



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14 Jan 2016, 6:44 pm

dcj123 wrote:
xkandakex wrote:
Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214


While I agree you shouldn't run around and piss people off by shoving weed down their throat 24/7. I don't know that I agree with the only be stoned at home thing, I mean granted you shouldn't drive and we should treat it like public intoxication but if you aren't hurting anyone; I don't see it being any different than being buzzed in a bar. In fact its arguably better if you don't have a low tolerance, I would much rather encounter a stoned person in public than a drunk. Furthermore while I agree its dangerous and should be illegal to drive stoned, I would rather have a stoned person on the road than a drunk. All weed really does is slow you down, makes you calmer, makes you look at things with a different perspective. I really don't care if someone is acting slowly in public, I do care if that person gets behind the wheel or starts making a scene.

Thats my opinion but hey I come from a state where public intoxication is actually completely legal. Its only illegal to be drunk in public in TN if you act drunk or cause problems, something I personally agree with. I really don't care who is stoned or drunk walking down the street so long as they don't bother me with it.


It's funny, after reading this, I realized maybe I belong there after all. Alot of these problems are in no way unique to Colorado. Nor are these views. I actually found myself relating to everything but the n word and the weed. I don't think there's ever a need for the N word. There's plenty of words in the English language to describe an as*hole. If they are black or white, still an as*hole. Their race does not contribute to this.

Who gets mad for being offered weed for someone helping you? Holy s**t man, they say the northeast is rude. THAT'S rude.

But I hate when people unnecessarily stop. we don't have a lot of tunnels here, but it's yield signs no one can understand. And we have a lot of circles that confuse the s**t out of people and I don't get it. I b***h all the time about people's unruly kids, not using turn signals and leaving trash all over a campsite. I can't stand when people have a huge (or any) pack for a hike in the park most of the time. I call sh***y things sh***y with no censoring. Maybe I found my new home... :lol:



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14 Jan 2016, 7:59 pm

beakybird wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
xkandakex wrote:
Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214


While I agree you shouldn't run around and piss people off by shoving weed down their throat 24/7. I don't know that I agree with the only be stoned at home thing, I mean granted you shouldn't drive and we should treat it like public intoxication but if you aren't hurting anyone; I don't see it being any different than being buzzed in a bar. In fact its arguably better if you don't have a low tolerance, I would much rather encounter a stoned person in public than a drunk. Furthermore while I agree its dangerous and should be illegal to drive stoned, I would rather have a stoned person on the road than a drunk. All weed really does is slow you down, makes you calmer, makes you look at things with a different perspective. I really don't care if someone is acting slowly in public, I do care if that person gets behind the wheel or starts making a scene.

Thats my opinion but hey I come from a state where public intoxication is actually completely legal. Its only illegal to be drunk in public in TN if you act drunk or cause problems, something I personally agree with. I really don't care who is stoned or drunk walking down the street so long as they don't bother me with it.


It's funny, after reading this, I realized maybe I belong there after all. Alot of these problems are in no way unique to Colorado. Nor are these views. I actually found myself relating to everything but the n word and the weed. I don't think there's ever a need for the N word. There's plenty of words in the English language to describe an as*hole. If they are black or white, still an as*hole. Their race does not contribute to this.


I agree about the N word except for my neighbour, but its not that I hate him cause he is black, its because he keeps encouraging me to kill myself and is a horrible influence on me. Seriously, F him, I can't think of a word strong enough to describe him but outside of that yeah I agree. The N word is a horrible word that should outside of people trying to kill you like my neighbour is me, be completely banned. I don't like hearing it, I also hate the stereo type of all African Americans liking weed. I know just as many whites that like weed as blacks and just as blacks that dislike weed as whites.



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14 Jan 2016, 8:19 pm

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beakybird wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
xkandakex wrote:
Here's something to give you and idea of what we natives and semi-natives of Colorado think of the ridiculously huge influx of people migrating here just for the pot/skiing/whatever...

http://www.westword.com/news/angry-denv ... ns-6967214


While I agree you shouldn't run around and piss people off by shoving weed down their throat 24/7. I don't know that I agree with the only be stoned at home thing, I mean granted you shouldn't drive and we should treat it like public intoxication but if you aren't hurting anyone; I don't see it being any different than being buzzed in a bar. In fact its arguably better if you don't have a low tolerance, I would much rather encounter a stoned person in public than a drunk. Furthermore while I agree its dangerous and should be illegal to drive stoned, I would rather have a stoned person on the road than a drunk. All weed really does is slow you down, makes you calmer, makes you look at things with a different perspective. I really don't care if someone is acting slowly in public, I do care if that person gets behind the wheel or starts making a scene.

Thats my opinion but hey I come from a state where public intoxication is actually completely legal. Its only illegal to be drunk in public in TN if you act drunk or cause problems, something I personally agree with. I really don't care who is stoned or drunk walking down the street so long as they don't bother me with it.


It's funny, after reading this, I realized maybe I belong there after all. Alot of these problems are in no way unique to Colorado. Nor are these views. I actually found myself relating to everything but the n word and the weed. I don't think there's ever a need for the N word. There's plenty of words in the English language to describe an as*hole. If they are black or white, still an as*hole. Their race does not contribute to this.


I agree about the N word except for my neighbour, but its not that I hate him cause he is black, its because he keeps encouraging me to kill myself and is a horrible influence on me. Seriously, F him, I can't think of a word strong enough to describe him but outside of that yeah I agree. The N word is a horrible word that should outside of people trying to kill you like my neighbour is me, be completely banned. I don't like hearing it, I also hate the stereo type of all African Americans liking weed. I know just as many whites that like weed as blacks and just as blacks that dislike weed as whites.


Eh, I don't think any word should be banned. But I think if you say it and some black guy kicks the s**t out of you over it it should be fair game. But yeah, if someone's encouraging you to kill yourself, you should say whatever the hell you feel like.

I mean I can't say I've never used it in it's slang term (as a pronoun for any person) because it's been very common in the people I've been around for many years and it just comes out. I don't even listen to rap music either. I think most people my age and younger would understand (though may think very stupid- I don't disagree- unwanted social adaptation I guess) the context, I would not use it even in that sense around a black person if I did not know them because that could be big problems. I'll usually substitute mfker in that case...