Why have no plants evolved to move from spot

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20 Nov 2024, 4:55 am

Why have no plants evolved the ability to move from spot to spot? Surely that would be a survival advantage not being stuck in one location.



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20 Nov 2024, 5:19 am

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20 Nov 2024, 5:34 am

Maybe someone will come along with some actual knowledge to assist here, but off the top of my head...

Many plants reproduce on a broadcast method. The ones that grow do so because their seed ended up in an environment that was conducive to their growth. If they land in an inhospitable environment they don't grow. So they're already where they need to be. There's no need for them to move and natural selection suggests that mutations have to be beneficial to persist.

Here's another possibility: movement requires a lot of energy. Can photosynthesis provide enough energy to power movement? I doubt it.

One more: most plants interface closely with the soil through their roots for the purpose of absorbing water and minerals. If that interface is regularly disrupted through movement, it won't function efficiently. Plants are constantly losing water through transpiration so they have to replenish it or they dry out. Maybe a cactus or some succulant that stores water could get around this, but it would still need to root for long periods, I'd have thought.


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20 Nov 2024, 6:11 am

Biological organisms don't need perfection to survive.

Humans can't fly, elephants can't jump, and tigers can't photosynthesize.
Species with inadequate skills have already gone extinct; the surviving populations only need to have one special skill to thrive.

PS:After searching, I found Selaginella tamariscina, a plant from South America that can "walk". it would die of thirst if it didn't.


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20 Nov 2024, 9:17 am

Birds move seeds great distances.



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20 Nov 2024, 10:59 am

If plants could move around freely, it would be a survival advantage. If the environment a plant is in gets bad for the plant, the plant just dies. If the plant had the ability to move around, it could move over to a better environment and survive.



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20 Nov 2024, 12:47 pm

That would be a good scifi movie. "Attack of the Walking Plants" :lol:


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20 Nov 2024, 1:23 pm

This discussion reminds me a little of something our Biology teacher said to us at school several decades ago. He was talking about the various ways plants had evolved to avoid the deadly threat of adverse weather conditions in winter, and one of the 'solutions' in his list was that some plants had become annuals, ie they die. Seemed funny to me at the time anyway.


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20 Nov 2024, 1:36 pm

I was thinking of tumbleweed, but I looked it up and they are not living plants when they are in the tumbling stage. They are however filled with living seeds that get dispersed as the tumbleweed tumbles.

But if it was evolutionarily advantageous for plants to be able to move, they would have evolved to move. They function best staying in one spot, apparently, or they would have evolved the ability to move.



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20 Nov 2024, 1:40 pm

Most plants reproduce by having their seeds spread around, so in a way they move around as seeds.



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21 Nov 2024, 4:20 am

I was certain there is a type of plant that does move...

Fully grown trees that can move by "walking" through growing roots towards it's 'desired' direction and die off roots behind it, few meters per year.

But not to evade prey apparently -- it's just drawn to sunnier places.



It's kinda no different from plants that creeps into different places, grows more of it's roots there...

It's just drawn to the sun and nutrients.
I've seen plants that creeps and roots itself to several pots, meters away from each other.

And still can survive if an earlier root dies; and potentially multiply if it's cut in between.



Hmmm... :?
It's more like extending it's own 'bodies' to survive better elsewhere than to evade predators.
Or, typical of multiplying themselves via seeds; being able to be either carried by other animals or the wind and thrive where's the safest with more resources...

And ways of defending themselves is to be either be tougher -- tough enough to survive digestive acids as seeds or undesirable be to consumed...
And the obvious stuff like being poisonous, barbed, inconvenient, "adaptive", etc...


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21 Nov 2024, 8:08 am

TheNet wrote:
Why have no plants evolved the ability to move from spot to spot? Surely that would be a survival advantage not being stuck in one location.


It depends on what you mean by “move from spot to spot”.

Tumbleweeds move from spot to spot.

Vines can climb up a tree or cover a house.

Some plants like willows and some kinds of vines and creepers can grow roots were they touch the ground.

Potatoes and other plants can spread under ground.

Even a dandelion can spread seeds on the wind as can many other kinds of plants. Bees carry pollen. Fruit contains seeds that may be carried far by an animal and pass through the digestive system and may even need to be nicked by a tooth to start growing.


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21 Nov 2024, 8:24 am

belijojo wrote:
PS:After searching, I found Selaginella tamariscina, a plant from South America that can "walk". it would die of thirst if it didn't.


Can you point to your source?

I cannot find anything about this plant walking or even being in South America.

I see some trees have stilt-like roots and can grow new roots closer to the sun and better soil while letting old roots die off. If this is too slow to be considered “walking” is disputed. It does put me in mind of Ents.

It reminds me of a tree (i think it was an oak or maple) that had grown through the wall of our garage when I was a kid. You could see how the blocks of cement or concrete that the wall was made of had been pushed aside by the trunk and roots of the tree. In places it like the tree had grown through one or two of the blocks, or into a crack, or around a block engulfing it, or even cracking a block apart. The damage wasn’t sufficient to really cause any problems so we just left it as-is (as-was?).

This also reminded me of the Ents (or perhaps the other way around).


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21 Nov 2024, 8:30 am

Many animals have evolved to be rooted to the spot, so maybe that's actually more of an advantage?


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21 Nov 2024, 1:25 pm

There are plants that propagate via runners or pieces of root. The roots will move new generations of the plant to a better habitat.
The Tree of Heaven will send out runners if cut down. If you want to get rid of it is advisable to kill it with herbicides before cutting a tree down.



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