What are some neurotypical things that don't make sense?

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05 Jan 2025, 5:33 pm

Here is my list of neurotypical behavior/norms that make no sense:

1. It's rude to be honest supposedly, but it's acceptable to lie to someone's face.

2. Judging people for the stupidest and minor things. Examples, someone stimming or breathing.

3. Laughing at things that aren't funny.

4. Doing things in public that are clearly unacceptable but then judge someone for being "awkward". Like talking about the most disgusting things, coughing into hands, being disruptive.

5. Not getting to the f*****g point. Sometimes when neurotypicals talk, it's like a dog chasing it's tail with no points connected.

6. Talking just for the sake of talking, like breaking silence or adding unnecessary explanations. I work in retail and customers tell me about their problem for five minutes straight when it can be explained in less than a minute.

7. Not respecting personal space or boundaries. There are always people trying to get up in my space and I am clearly backing up..What part of me clearly moving away from you do you not understand? I had a customer keep walking towards me when I took six big steps from her and she kept getting in my space after I told her to move back.



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05 Jan 2025, 5:40 pm

NTs are insane. I don't understand anything they do.

I'm trying not to be resentful of them but it's hard when they've totally f**ked up the world and it feels like autists are the only people who can think.


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05 Jan 2025, 6:19 pm

DancingSunflower13 wrote:

2. Judging people for the stupidest and minor things. Examples, someone stimming or breathing.



Or - my most "favorite" example - for... the sort of music one listens to 8O But for some reason, it doesn't concern books one reads nor the games one likes to play.



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05 Jan 2025, 7:02 pm

I’m not sure that I’d call those behaviors “NT things” given that not all NTs do them and some neurodivergent folks do.


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05 Jan 2025, 7:25 pm

7. Not respecting personal space or boundaries. There are always people trying to get up in my space and I am clearly backing up..What part of me clearly moving away from you do you not understand? I had a customer keep walking towards me when I took six big steps from her and she kept getting in my space after I told her to move back.


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06 Jan 2025, 3:58 am

I have theories about lots of the things that have been mentioned here even though I don't engage in those behaviours myself. I'll add a couple I don't have theories for :arrow:

:arrow: Appearing cool by pretending not to care about things but the people really who do not care are considered extremely uncool.

:arrow: Random strangers on the bus trying to initiate conversations with me a lot more often when I have my earbuds on because I'm trying to listen to music & they never ask what I'm listening to or what I'm doing on my phone. My girlfriend who's also on the spectrum initiates conversations with me more while we're out when I have my earbuds on even if she's also doing the same probably because she does not like feeling as if I'm ignoring her but I have no clue why random strangers suddenly want to talk to me when I have earbuds on but a lot less often when I don't.


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06 Jan 2025, 3:01 pm

Asking questions that have only one socially accepted answear and still feel good about the answear despite being aware of that it doesn't say anything about what the person is actually thinking . Like "Did you like the food?" or "Do I look good in this dress?" or "Do you like my new haircut?" Very few, if any, people think they get an honest answear on these questions but still get happy when they hear stuff like "Oh! I loved your food! It tasted really good! I would have eaten more of if I hadn't had a snack just an hour ago!"


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06 Jan 2025, 10:58 pm

Thinking you shouldn't be into things like cartoons, toys or E-rated games because it's not "age appropriate". If I'm not hurting anybody, why does it matter? Why should only kids get to enjoy cute and colorful things?
Most adult things are sooo boring, and it's not fair.

Not being direct. Even if they do know we need them to be direct, if we do the same thing it's rude for some reason. It always has to be this vague, mind-reader kind of nonsense.

Dressing in clothing that's uncomfortable or painful because it's fashionable. I hear mostly older people complaining that no one gets dressed up anymore. That's garbage, we should be allowed to wear what we want, as long as it's suitable for the weather and doesn't have our body parts hanging out.

And the whole lying so that your fee-fees don't get hurt thing. In fact humanity is just built on lies and makes me so angry.



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08 Jan 2025, 11:02 pm

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26 Mar 2025, 7:06 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Thinking you shouldn't be into things like cartoons, toys or E-rated games because it's not "age appropriate". If I'm not hurting anybody, why does it matter? Why should only kids get to enjoy cute and colorful things?
Most adult things are sooo boring, and it's not fair.

Not being direct. Even if they do know we need them to be direct, if we do the same thing it's rude for some reason. It always has to be this vague, mind-reader kind of nonsense.

Dressing in clothing that's uncomfortable or painful because it's fashionable. I hear mostly older people complaining that no one gets dressed up anymore. That's garbage, we should be allowed to wear what we want, as long as it's suitable for the weather and doesn't have our body parts hanging out.

And the whole lying so that your fee-fees don't get hurt thing. In fact humanity is just built on lies and makes me so angry.




Yes! Exactly! Anyone who judges people who like kids' stuff are boring AF and can't appreciate a nostalgia trip



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26 Mar 2025, 10:31 pm

How they all dress the same as teenagers and if you're not wearing the same things. they think you have a problem.


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27 Mar 2025, 2:05 am

Sure, they're often irrational, but then so am I.



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27 Mar 2025, 2:27 am

Smalltalk!



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27 Mar 2025, 4:24 am

Believing everyone needs to be the same.

Getting depressed over other people's problems and avoiding said people and problems.



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27 Mar 2025, 11:52 am

velvet morning wrote:
Smalltalk!

Well, apparently it's a useful means of weighing up strangers:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... study-says

So it might not be as trivial and vacuous as it looks, if you can divine stuff about people from it. Maybe Aspies aren't so good at that.

But it seems that people enjoy more depth and that it has an untapped potential to improve social bonding and cohesion:
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases ... -strangers

They think the reason it's untapped is miscalibrated expectations - nobody dares to wade in too deep with a stranger in case the stranger thinks them weird. But I think it might be more to do with the danger of getting too close before we know what they're really like.

Me, I went through a phase when I railed against small talk and I even wrote the following into a song:

Hello again, it's nice today
And you hope the clouds will stay away
And that's as deep as you want to go
Why is it always so?


But I was rather lonely and naive at the time, having just been torn away from a bunch of very friendly, deep people and plunged into a life that was making me feel alienated and unfulfilled. Later on I mellowed a bit.



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27 Mar 2025, 12:43 pm

Their rigid confidence and authoritative mandate to punish autistic people without explanation or warning because they magically know our intentions and reasoning, so it's their job to inflict pain. I think a lot of our social isolation is a direct result of this. They don't need to listen to us because we are automatically assumed wrong in any disagreement. They have this strong need to tell us what we think and teach us how what they told us we think is wrong. Even if they are right, if we don't understand it because that's not how we see it and a healthy mutual conversation did not take place, what we learn is that others are overwhelming and unpredictable, while we're unacceptable or allowed to exist because we can't even share our perspective.

I predict that at least 98% of us have had a high frequency of interactions in which an NT gets upset at us out of nowhere, does something to hurt our feelings, and then tells us it's because of an intention they made up for our behaviors, while those behaviors were ironically and literally copied from another NT when we saw it work out for them. With this high unpredictability and inability to have our intentions validated, we learn that people are dangerous and we are not allowed to exist outside. Especially since other NTs can do the same behavior and get rewarded, but when we do it we get punished. Best stay home and chat with other auties online doing the same thing. :heart:

ToughDiamond wrote:

Well, apparently it's a useful means of weighing up strangers:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... study-says

So it might not be as trivial and vacuous as it looks, if you can divine stuff about people from it. Maybe Aspies aren't so good at that.

But it seems that people enjoy more depth and that it has an untapped potential to improve social bonding and cohesion:
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases ... -strangers

They think the reason it's untapped is miscalibrated expectations - nobody dares to wade in too deep with a stranger in case the stranger thinks them weird. But I think it might be more to do with the danger of getting too close before we know what they're really like.

Me, I went through a phase when I railed against small talk and I even wrote the following into a song:

Hello again, it's nice today
And you hope the clouds will stay away
And that's as deep as you want to go
Why is it always so?

But I was rather lonely and naive at the time, having just been torn away from a bunch of very friendly, deep people and plunged into a life that was making me feel alienated and unfulfilled. Later on I mellowed a bit.


I read something similar to that in a Field Guide to Earthlings (book explaining NTs to us)! The author states that the point of small talk is to make non-committal statements to identify each other and something else I can't remember right now. But the whole thing is rooted in plausible deniability. They can say something without being held accountable for it. Oddly enough, they all know that's what they're doing, so it seems like they just like to have chaotic noise introduced into their conversations. Maybe they like the rush?


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