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23 Mar 2025, 7:34 am

It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.



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23 Mar 2025, 11:33 am

I am the tortoise. Very slow, but I get there while others don't because they think they can rush everything, and they get overconfident and screw the job up.



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23 Mar 2025, 11:52 am

I'm neither.
A tortoise who will lose because of it's slowness, and an hare that did won easily and effortlessly.

Or either.
A tortoise who won by being slow, steady and consistent, and an hare that did lose by being impulsive, rushed, or overdone by complacency.

Because conditions, because situations, because nuances that people doesn't think over.
And instead either thinks an excuse when I fail or an expression of humbleness if I succeed.

Did not matter. Nothing to me is consistent.
Even something so simple as this doesn't resonate with me. :?


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23 Mar 2025, 12:09 pm

You're right, analogies don't stand up well to close scrutiny, and like the Zen people say, the converse of a statement always contains truth.

The weakness of the parable is that there isn't always time to plod slowly and thoroughly through every task, and not all hares are complacent enough to blow their success.

And I can move damn quick when I know it's important.

But I was feeling poetical when I posted before, and there's merit in that too. I'm often very objective and nuanced, but sometimes I just think "what the hell," and let fly with a rather inaccurate but colourful soundbite that somehow expresses something good that can't be aired any other way. It's risky, but it's fun. Trump does it all the time, but that's taking a good thing way too far, which is why the wise liken him to a drunk on a park bench.



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23 Mar 2025, 2:53 pm

There was an old Looney Tunes ep about this. Cecil Turtle seemed very slow mentally but he won because he cheated & had his tortoise lookalike friends line the route. As soon as Bugs passed one he saw another tortoise in front of him :lol: I found it on YouTube in 3 parts & since I like you guys I'll post all 3 parts as well as their Re-Race vid I found. In the Re-Race Cecil had a jet engine inside his shell :mrgreen:















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23 Mar 2025, 3:02 pm

NewTime wrote:
It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.


Meanwhile nobody else cares about races anymore.



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23 Mar 2025, 3:07 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
NewTime wrote:
It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.


Meanwhile nobody else cares about races anymore.

Indeed, co-operation is better than competition, though the Tories pretend it's the other way round.



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23 Mar 2025, 3:10 pm

this tortoise found that the whole GD world left him behind.



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29 Mar 2025, 2:14 am

Some adaptions call the story "The Turtle and the Rabbit" because apparently they think kids are too dumb to know the differences between turtles and tortoises and rabbits and hares.

But I know the differences. Tortoises are basically land turtles that don't swim in water. They don't have webbed feet like fresh water turtles have, and their shells are much rounder and dome-shaped. Hares have babies that are not born blind and helpless like baby rabbits, and they are usually bigger and have longer ears and bigger feet than rabbits have.



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29 Mar 2025, 6:57 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Some adaptions call the story "The Turtle and the Rabbit" because apparently they think kids are too dumb to know the differences between turtles and tortoises and rabbits and hares.

But I know the differences. Tortoises are basically land turtles that don't swim in water. They don't have webbed feet like fresh water turtles have, and their shells are much rounder and dome-shaped. Hares have babies that are not born blind and helpless like baby rabbits, and they are usually bigger and have longer ears and bigger feet than rabbits have.
The Looney Tunes ep about it that I posted probably called it The Turtle & The Rabbit as well. Bugs Bunny often refers to himself as a Rabbit & the tortoise is named Cecil Turtle. I wonder if this helps teach kids how they're kind of similar in some ways or if it causes kids to assume both words mean essentially the same thing :?


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29 Mar 2025, 8:34 am

They reduce everything to media references these days. Those "I don't watch television" types are dangerous freethinkers so it's important to give the sheeple a leg up and put them at a disadvantage or society as we know it will collapse and the rich might get poorer.



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29 Mar 2025, 3:45 pm

So the turtle mocks the hare and the hare pots the turtle?

That seems a bit dissonant.



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29 Mar 2025, 3:53 pm

NewTime wrote:
It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.
IIRC, the hare didn't just get tired, he started off by showing off his tennis skills and whatnot before he went for a nap.

In Vikram Seth's poem version, the hare goes off on magic mushrooms, loses and still wins the media attention


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Stargazer99 wrote:
NewTime wrote:
It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.


Meanwhile nobody else cares about races anymore.

Indeed, co-operation is better than competition, though the Tories pretend it's the other way round.


Co-operation is good, but technology also seems to progress by competition.


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29 Mar 2025, 4:07 pm

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I am the tortoise. Very slow, but I get there while others don't because they think they can rush everything, and they get overconfident and screw the job up.
With lots of things I'm kind of the worst of both the tortoise & the hare. I tend to be slow & steady at first but I then lose because I get tired, bored, distracted, or whatever & I end up taking an extended break or giving up completely. In a workplace setting though I'm definitely the tortoise. I'm slow & steady. I focus on quality & I'll stay on the task till it's done or it's time for me to clock out. I could speed up for a bit if I'm being rushed depending on what the task is but I hate cutting corners & feeling stressed starts to overwhelm me.


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29 Mar 2025, 4:48 pm

Redpaws wrote:
Co-operation is good, but technology also seems to progress by competition.

Maybe, but I'm not sure I like all this rapid technological progress. If they just slowed it down so we had a chance to get used to things before they changed it all, I might get a chance to catch up.



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29 Mar 2025, 4:50 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
NewTime wrote:
It seemed like the hare was going to win the race, but he got tired and fell asleep while the tortoise kept moving and the tortoise won.


Meanwhile nobody else cares about races anymore.


Based on how much teams spend to win at Le Mans or Daytona (either the 500 or the 24) it seems like some people care quite a bit. :nerdy:


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