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30 Dec 2011, 7:06 am

I don't think we can possibly get any more redneck than this. The local high school cheerleaders have a fundraiser. It's a squirrel hunting championship. Really. You get a free Bud Light t-shirt for participating.


I gotta do it. I cannot pass this up.


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30 Dec 2011, 11:27 am

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30 Dec 2011, 11:29 am

Do the squirrels get eaten? Are they regarded as a pest?



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30 Dec 2011, 11:36 am

I hope you can hunt squirrels better than this

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30 Dec 2011, 11:50 am

I am against hunting for sport, but I will not preach here because I dislike preaching even more than I dilike hunting. :lol:

But I have to say that, if I were to hunt some animal, I would choose something that would offer me a challenge. Seriously, squirrels? They are quick and can bite, but where is the challenge? I would not settle for anything less than a bear, lion or water buffalo (although some may argue that "hunting water buffalos" is just a fancy way of saying "suicide"). :P

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30 Dec 2011, 12:28 pm

The dad of one of the cheerleaders put this together. Yeah, squirrels. I don't know why. I'm going, but I'm not hunting. I'll pay my $20, stand around the parking lot, talk to people, then go in the restaurant and eat breakfast.

This dad, he's got all kinds of rules involved in this. LOL! There is a catagory for dog hunters, a catagory for stalk hunters, then the local churches are also sponsoring teams of five hunters each. He calls that catagory "The great church shoot out" They go by weight not limit. So that means he's got scales there to weigh the dead squirrels.

He's actually got over a hundred people coming to it already. They need to raise $500 per girl to send them there. What they can't raise, the parents have to pay.

Some people, like me and my daughters are going to pay and show up but then just eat and go home. Most of the people are hunting though. The lowest age they allow is 9.

He hasn't got the prizes yet and doesn't know what to get lol. He's hoping somebody donates something. Maybe I'll make some pies and give him to give out as consolation prizes.


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30 Dec 2011, 12:38 pm

A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.



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30 Dec 2011, 12:54 pm

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8O


That is the prettiest baby ever in your icon! Is that you as a child, or your child?


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30 Dec 2011, 2:27 pm

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A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.


It's squirrels, not people.


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30 Dec 2011, 3:00 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
They aren't humans. It's not the same thing. Really.

See aforementioned points about lack of empathy for those not identical to yourself.
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OliveOilMom wrote:
Do you have a lot of squirrels in your house as pets? If not, why not? Don't they need homes and families and all that too?

This is non-sensical.

No it's not. Put your money where your mouth is.

Say what now?
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OliveOilMom wrote:
Are you aware that electricity, which powers a lot if not all, of the things in your home, displaces many animals per year? Those power plants are built in areas where trees have been cut down, thus rendering tens, if not twenties, of vermin type animals homeless. I see that you are using electricity. You are supporting the cruel displacement of poor animals from their homes!

The power plant serving my area of the city was one of the first of it's kind, so any animal displacement took place more than a century ago.


So, that makes it ok huh? Justification to avoid inconvenience.

When the things you're wildly trying to make up about me (to deflect from the fact that squirrels are animals and animals suffer)
are factually-untrue, to the point of being fantastically-imaginative, there need be no "justification" for much. :lol:
Here's how it works: You make up something, I say you have it wrong, and then you either rebutt with facts, come up with something new with more of a factual basis, or concede the point. Shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling the same thing over and over is childish.

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Or do you have a windmill or something?

I save on energy by not getting my panties in a twist at those who state facts.

How does that save on energy, or did it simply sound good in your mind at the time?

:lmao:

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If you get hit by a car crossing the street, are you going to protest the medicines that they will give you in the hospital to save your life cause they were tested on animals?

I've been seriously-ill before and refused treatments I knew were derived from animal testing, yes.

Well that'll bring the deat rats back and show those researcher's wont it?

I simply live in keeping with my ethics, same as anyone else on Earth.
Refusing to fund certain practices is part of that and is pretty common, your sneering aside.

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Replace "animals" with "humans", and maybe you can understand the objection, since you're obsessed with species (one species) as the sole criterion on which ethical consideration should be granted.

I'm not obsessed with anything. Not related to this, anyway. Medieval Europe now, is another story. But, we are humans. They are animals. It's not really that hard to grasp.

No, it isn't, although your penchant for repeating it endlessly as if it's remotely relevant to the point, that being suffering, does, actually, border on obsession, or at least pre-occupation with certain premises seen as related to the topic by only you.

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You seem to want to paint us all with some crazy brush dipped in lunacy and hatred. It's just not true. So they are having a squirrel hunt! Big deal! Theres billions of squirrels!

Factually untrue,

Not by your statements it's not

Again...huh?

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but there are billions of people.
Let's shoot a couple hundred?


That's done every day in war. I don't condone it so don't start running off at the mouth

And you claim you're not upset?
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saying I do, but it is done. I bet you'd be fine with killing all the meat eaters or something.

You're veering off of being shrill into lunacy.

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Most people I know just put out that poison squirrel bait in their yards to keep them away. We live in the country. Where animals still try and take over our homes. We had some squirrels in the attic once. It was not pleasant. It wasn't some pitter patter of little baby animal lovely feet. Then they fall down in the walls and die. They decompose. Oh dear! They stink to high heaven, you have to cut a hole in the sheetrock, clean it all out, and then patch it and paint it. You want those things doing that in your house? Or would you welcome them as friends and hope they act like those animals in Cinderella?

There are humane ways of ridding your house of unwanted animals- to pretend that opposition to killing sentient beings for the sake of convenience (especially when it's not necessary for that, even) is tantamount to Disney-esque idealism is somewhat comical.

Yeah, real sentient. Ever have a conversation with a squirrel?

...you have no idea what "sentient" means, do you?
Conversation is impossible between adults and infants, with the communicatively-handicapped, even those of different nationalities.
What difference does that make ethically?
Not an iota.
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Oh wait, I bet you have.

More sneering. I can practically SEE your twisted little face.
You'll find it best when accompanied with actual points, though.
Attacking me personally, strawmanning, wild fantasies, etc don't qualify.


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They are nusiance animals.

They were there before you were.
I was here before you were too, on the planet. Does that give me supremacy?

Not at all.
Nor does it give me license to kill you for annoying me,
which is precisely the right you're asserting.

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Get an infestation of them in your house then come talk to me with your happy crappy sh** ok? You'll change your tune fast, I guarantee you!

I've had both raccoons and mice problems in the house I currently live in. I managed to evict them by not killing any.
So much for your bald declarations.

Must have been a protracted and nasty time. Glad I didn't live in it!

Not really. It's as simple as buying a few five dollar pest away machines that emit a frequency they don't like.
In both cases, they were gone in a few days.
They're available at any hardware store, in case you're interested.
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In any case. Since you really do seem to be unaware that there are ways of living which don't include wanton killing, it's not surprising that you'd react with such defensiveness.

Wanton killing of squirrels! Alert PETA! Hurry!

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I apologize once more for daring to mention animal experiential capacities.

No need to apologize for something you did not effectively pull off. Try again.


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quote="ValentineWiggin"]A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.

It's squirrels, not people.


Oh, I forgot!
Only PEOPLE suffer when shot.
:roll:[/quote]

Literacy fail.


Anyway. I've indulged your bad mood (post-holiday blues, maybe?) long enough.

Since my point about a lack of empathy for non-human animals, and their capacity to suffer, seemed to be what you took issue with, originally, I'll wait for you to get back to it, as opposed to flying into a rage at me for not sharing in your LOL's about squirrel hunting. :)


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30 Dec 2011, 3:04 pm

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A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.


Conservative ones like in the south are little more than violence-worshipping institutions- look at how they fetishize the crucifixion, war, and other such lovelies.
They have a hard enough time feeling empathy for the suffering of fellow HUMANS, so of course even the most casual of concern for non-human animals will be met with "herp, derp, different species"...as you can see.


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30 Dec 2011, 3:25 pm

Haha! I hope the squirrels are pests, at least.



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30 Dec 2011, 3:36 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
sluice wrote:
A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.


Conservative ones like in the south are little more than violence-worshipping institutions- look at how they fetishize the crucifixion, war, and other such lovelies.
They have a hard enough time feeling empathy for the suffering of fellow HUMANS, so of course even the most casual of concern for non-human animals will be met with "herp, derp, different species"...as you can see.


Jesus Christ, honey, it's squirrels! BTW, I'm a liberal. We aren't all like you must imagine us to be.

Do you eat meat? If not, do you protest every single person and institution that uses or sells animal products? Do you take medicine at all, even Tylenol? All been tested on animals. If you want to fuss about it fine, but don't be a hypocrite. No more Tylenol or any product ever tested on animals. I have yet to meet an animal rights person who has cut out everything from their life that ever harmed poor little critters.


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30 Dec 2011, 4:03 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
sluice wrote:
A church endorsed slaughter? I love the south, but need to stay away or my sluice will be cooked.


Conservative ones like in the south are little more than violence-worshipping institutions- look at how they fetishize the crucifixion, war, and other such lovelies.
They have a hard enough time feeling empathy for the suffering of fellow HUMANS, so of course even the most casual of concern for non-human animals will be met with "herp, derp, different species"...as you can see.


Jesus Christ, honey, it's squirrels!


Exhibit A.
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Do you eat meat?

No.
OliveOilMom wrote:
If not, do you protest every single person and institution that uses or sells animal products?

Yes.
OliveOilMom wrote:
Do you take medicine at all, even Tylenol?

The equation of "medicine" with "industrially-produced, synthetically-derived pharmaceuticals" is interesting...but in that sense, no.
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All been tested on animals.

Mhmm.
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If you want to fuss about it fine, but don't be a hypocrite. No more Tylenol or any product ever tested on animals. I have yet to meet an animal rights person who has cut out everything from their life that ever harmed poor little critters.

Opposing slaughter of animals for "sport" isn't even a rightist position- it's frequently espoused by welfarists and even those who don't subscribe normally to ethical consideration of animals specifically at all.

I'm sorry my saying that non-human animals suffer has upset you so.
I'm also sorry that you feel any hypocrisy you can find in (or project onto) someone who says that they suffer somehow negates that fact.


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30 Dec 2011, 5:09 pm

It doesn't upset me at all. I am not a hunter. However, most of those boys who will be hunting are good shots and are using fairly decent sized ammo, so the squirrel won't be suffering. They usually die immediately. Do you have a lot of squirrels in your house as pets? If not, why not? Don't they need homes and families and all that too?

Are you aware that electricity, which powers a lot if not all, of the things in your home, displaces many animals per year? Those power plants are built in areas where trees have been cut down, thus rendering tens, if not twenties, of vermin type animals homeless. I see that you are using electricity. You are supporting the cruel displacement of poor animals from their homes!

Or do you have a windmill or something?

If you get hit by a car crossing the street, are you going to protest the medicines that they will give you in the hospital to save your life cause they were tested on animals?

I don't hate animals. I have two wolf hybrids, two outside cats, a python, a dwarf hamster and a giant flemish rabbit (Yeah they really DO mean giant, have you seen those things?) My younger daughter has fenagled us into a pony which will come over as soon as they build the pony house for it out back. I probably couldn't kill an animal myself. Unless I was really, really hungry. Or it was attacking me or one of my kids or someone else.

You seem to want to paint us all with some crazy brush dipped in lunacy and hatred. It's just not true. So they are having a squirrel hunt! Big deal! Theres billions of squirrels! Most people I know just put out that poison squirrel bait in their yards to keep them away. We live in the country. Where animals still try and take over our homes. We had some squirrels in the attic once. It was not pleasant. It wasn't some pitter patter of little baby animal lovely feet. Then they fall down in the walls and die. They decompose. Oh dear! They stink to high heaven, you have to cut a hole in the sheetrock, clean it all out, and then patch it and paint it. You want those things doing that in your house? Or would you welcome them as friends and hope they act like those animals in Cinderella?

Grow up. They are nusiance animals. Get an infestation of them in your house then come talk to me with your happy crappy s**t ok? You'll change your tune fast, I guarantee you!


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