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20 Mar 2022, 10:05 am

One of my friends was saying last night if there was one famous person he would love to bring back from the dead it would be princess diana.

His theory was if scientists exhumed her body they could get some of her DNA and clone her.

Not an expert on human cloning but do you think in theory it could be possible to clone the late princess?



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20 Mar 2022, 10:21 am

Why Princess Diana?


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20 Mar 2022, 10:29 am

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Why Princess Diana?



He's a massive Diana fan and hr thinks she was taken from us to soon.



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20 Mar 2022, 10:45 am

In theory you could clone any historical figure -who still has physical tissue remains stored away.

The Pharoahs of Egypt from four thousand years ago are all mummified. So their DNA is probably in good condition. So you could probably bring Ramses the great back more easily than you could later people like Ceasar maybe.

But Dianne died rather recently so yes -her DNA would probably be a good candidate.

But...

You exhume her. Take her DNA. Shoot it into a living human egg cell. And the plant that into a living woman - who then has a pregnancy to make the new baby. And then this surrogate mom pops out your new baby princess Dianna out- nine months later.

So...

This new baby version of Princess Dianna would not REALLY ...BE...princess Dianna. She would be something akin to an identical twin sister to the princess. A different person. But with almost -but not totally- the same DNA.

And then you would have to raise this baby girl to BE Princess Dianna. Somehow replicate Lady Spencer's upbringing, life time experiences, education. Do that to replicate her character and personality. (Somehow replicate the software onto this cloned biological hardware). And - you cant REALLY do that. So this cloned creature of yours still couldnt really become Princess Dianne resurrected like Lazarus, or Christ.

But thats not even half of it.

There is a certain odd thing that they have discovered when cloning sheep and other non human mammals.

The cells in the cloned creature are somehow already pre aged -to the age of the original animal when they extracted the cells to be cloned from that adult animal.

In human terms- if your 30- and they clone you. Your baby clone would have cells thirty years old. So when you die of old age at say 80, your fifty year old clone person will also die of old age at around the same future time as you- but at age 50 (thirty years younger than you will be at that time) because your cells were 30 when they cloned you.

So your cloned version of Princess Dianne will be biologially already Lady Spencer's adult age when the lady died. Forty, or whatever it was. So your cloned Dianne will also die young, but of old age like forty years sooner than the original princess wouldve died had she lived out her natural life. So she would be a seperate person- but a kind of twin -who wouldnt have quite the same personality as Dianne, and would be destined die young. Not actually "princess Dianne returned to life".

So...you wanna go through with his bizarre endeavor, or not?



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20 Mar 2022, 10:45 am

Even if it was possible, I just don't see the point.


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20 Mar 2022, 10:54 am

Utterly pointless and kinda creepy. What's with the cult of personality surrounding parasitic royals anyways?


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20 Mar 2022, 10:55 am

naturalplastic wrote:
In theory you could clone any historical figure -who still has physical tissue remains stored away.

The Pharoahs of Egypt from four thousand years ago are all mummified. So their DNA is probably in good condition. So you could probably bring Ramses the great back more easily than you could later people like Ceasar maybe.

But Dianne died rather recently so yes -her DNA would probably be a good candidate.

But...

You exhume her. Take her DNA. Shoot it into a living human egg cell. And the plant that into a living woman - who then has a pregnancy to make the new baby. And then this surrogate mom pops out your new baby princess Dianna out- nine months later.

So...

This new baby version of Princess Dianna would not REALLY ...BE...princess Dianna. She would be something akin to an identical twin sister to the princess. A different person. But with almost -but not totally- the same DNA.

And then you would have to raise this baby girl to BE Princess Dianna. Somehow replicate Lady Spencer's upbringing, life time experiences, education. Do that to replicate her character and personality. (Somehow replicate the software onto this cloned biological hardware). And - you cant REALLY do that. So this cloned creature of yours still couldnt really become Princess Dianne resurrected like Lazarus, or Christ.

But thats not even half of it.

There is a certain odd thing that they have discovered when cloning sheep and other non human mammals.

The cells in the cloned creature are somehow already pre aged -to the age of the original animal when they extracted the cells to be cloned from that adult animal.

In human terms- if your 30- and they clone you. Your baby clone would have cells thirty years old. So when you die of old age at say 80, your fifty year old clone person will also die of old age at around the same future time as you- but at age 50 (thirty years younger than you will be at that time) because your cells were 30 when they cloned you.

So your cloned version of Princess Dianne will be biologially already Lady Spencer's adult age when the lady died. Forty, or whatever it was. So your cloned Dianne will also die young, but of old age like forty years sooner than the original princess wouldve died had she lived out her natural life. So she would be a seperate person- but a kind of twin -who wouldnt have quite the same personality as Dianne, and would be destined die young. Not actually "princess Dianne returned to life".

So...you wanna go through with his bizarre endeavor, or not?



She was 36 when she died

I wonder how Harry and William would react to my friends theory?



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20 Mar 2022, 11:16 am

Go ask them.



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20 Mar 2022, 11:22 am

I'm just glad you've made a friend at last.


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20 Mar 2022, 11:34 am

Fnord wrote:
Go ask them.



Been a while Fnord

Great to have you back



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20 Mar 2022, 5:58 pm

Jamesy wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
In theory you could clone any historical figure -who still has physical tissue remains stored away.

The Pharoahs of Egypt from four thousand years ago are all mummified. So their DNA is probably in good condition. So you could probably bring Ramses the great back more easily than you could later people like Ceasar maybe.

But Dianne died rather recently so yes -her DNA would probably be a good candidate.

But...

You exhume her. Take her DNA. Shoot it into a living human egg cell. And the plant that into a living woman - who then has a pregnancy to make the new baby. And then this surrogate mom pops out your new baby princess Dianna out- nine months later.

So...

This new baby version of Princess Dianna would not REALLY ...BE...princess Dianna. She would be something akin to an identical twin sister to the princess. A different person. But with almost -but not totally- the same DNA.

And then you would have to raise this baby girl to BE Princess Dianna. Somehow replicate Lady Spencer's upbringing, life time experiences, education. Do that to replicate her character and personality. (Somehow replicate the software onto this cloned biological hardware). And - you cant REALLY do that. So this cloned creature of yours still couldnt really become Princess Dianne resurrected like Lazarus, or Christ.

But thats not even half of it.

There is a certain odd thing that they have discovered when cloning sheep and other non human mammals.

The cells in the cloned creature are somehow already pre aged -to the age of the original animal when they extracted the cells to be cloned from that adult animal.

In human terms- if your 30- and they clone you. Your baby clone would have cells thirty years old. So when you die of old age at say 80, your fifty year old clone person will also die of old age at around the same future time as you- but at age 50 (thirty years younger than you will be at that time) because your cells were 30 when they cloned you.

So your cloned version of Princess Dianne will be biologially already Lady Spencer's adult age when the lady died. Forty, or whatever it was. So your cloned Dianne will also die young, but of old age like forty years sooner than the original princess wouldve died had she lived out her natural life. So she would be a seperate person- but a kind of twin -who wouldnt have quite the same personality as Dianne, and would be destined die young. Not actually "princess Dianne returned to life".

So...you wanna go through with his bizarre endeavor, or not?



She was 36 when she died

I wonder how Harry and William would react to my friends theory?


They would love to have mom back. But they are educated enough to know that cloning, even if it worked, would not be a way to "bring mum back".

I knew her age was somewhere in the thirty-forty range.

Thats the least important thing in my little essay.

What is your reaction to the rest of it?

The nub of the issue is you cant "bring a person back". You can only create a biological xerox copy of the person. A younger generation identical twin of that person. One more thing: The clone wont have the person's memories (if thats what you think).



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21 Mar 2022, 6:30 am

Cloning Diana would be a waste of time, money, resources, and effort.

She had no special talent that would have benefitted all humankind.

Better to clone Einstein, Schweitzer, or some other genius.

Then give them the best educations possible.



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21 Mar 2022, 8:19 am

naturalplastic wrote:
And then you would have to raise this baby girl to BE Princess Dianna. Somehow replicate Lady Spencer's upbringing, life time experiences, education. Do that to replicate her character and personality. (Somehow replicate the software onto this cloned biological hardware). And - you cant REALLY do that. So this cloned creature of yours still couldnt really become Princess Dianne resurrected like Lazarus, or Christ.
Some of the Klingons on Star Trek found a way to pull this off with their legendary warrior hero Kahless. I think they used some blood that was on a dagger of his that had been sealed away for an extremely LONG time. They also somehow implanted the clone with the stories of the real legend. The clone just suddenly woke up as an adult thinking he was the real Kahless that had risen from the dead but couldn't remember any of the afterlife in his live form.

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Not an expert on human cloning but do you think in theory it could be possible to clone the late princess?
Professor Farnsworth on Futurama 1ce said~ "Nothing is impossible. Not if you can imagine it."
I think it's kinda like Rule 34. If somebody can think of something, it could happen somewhere somehow in some time or absence of time maybe in an alternate reality or parallel dimension. So while this is theoretically possible, the likelihood of this happening in our lifetime or the next few centuries is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.


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21 Mar 2022, 9:23 am

Fnord wrote:
Cloning Diana would be a waste of time, money, resources, and effort.

She had no special talent that would have benefitted all humankind.

Better to clone Einstein, Schweitzer, or some other genius.

Then give them the best educations possible.




Well she tried to stop landmines in Africa.



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21 Mar 2022, 9:30 am

Jamesy wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Cloning Diana would be a waste of time, money, resources, and effort.

She had no special talent that would have benefitted all humankind.

Better to clone Einstein, Schweitzer, or some other genius.

Then give them the best educations possible.
Well she tried to stop landmines in Africa.
Talking about stopping the use of landmines and actually stopping the use of landmines are two different things.

How many landmines did she actually stop?  None.

All sentimentality aside, it would be better to clone someone who possessed higher intelligence.



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21 Mar 2022, 10:26 am

I find eugenics to be potentially harmful.

You might "clone" Diana----but this "Diana," via environmental influences, might become a monster.

It's a helluva more than just "genes"! !! !