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21 Nov 2007, 7:53 pm

you see all these models an footballers loaded with cash and what have they really done to deserve all that money apart from kick a ball in a net and walk up an down a stage while evry one else is out there actuly earning money by working for a living that really gets at me u know



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21 Nov 2007, 8:00 pm

And they can buy all the video games they want. ;___;



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21 Nov 2007, 8:12 pm

yeh but then i download em ha ha



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21 Nov 2007, 10:17 pm

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Most rich people got their money by doing something other than complaining how hard-done-by they were, and how those rich guys have it so much better.
Achieving makes money.
Complaining does not.


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21 Nov 2007, 10:33 pm

Yes, but not all rich people do real work to earn money. Particularly sports players and thespians. At least that is what the topic appears to be.

As for complaining not being an action, how about the French Revolution - there was a lot of complaining before the people addressed the complaint; you are right that a complaint is not an action, but it is something that needs to be addressed by some action.



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22 Nov 2007, 8:28 am

Sport is not a simple matter of hitting a ball.
Acting is not a simple matter of walking up and down a stage.
They are both far more complicated, and to reach a high point of these activities requires talent and hard work.
A complaint may set actions into motion. If it does this, it is useful.


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22 Nov 2007, 10:23 am

I am sure that soccer is good for the economy. It is the fans that dictate how much the players earn.



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22 Nov 2007, 10:27 am

A lot of people who make their money in the entertainment industry seem to blow it on drugs and many wind up dead. I don't think they necessarily have an easy life. Sports personalities seem to be using steroids and taking shortcuts to success. I don't trust many of the sports records being made today.



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22 Nov 2007, 11:02 am

Plus people in the entertainment industry have no privacy. They are expected to just allow others to invade their personal space.


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22 Nov 2007, 1:16 pm

Actually, there are lots of bad actors that make loads of money; you don't require talent for it. Look at the guy who plays Harry Potter, he can barely act at all (he does little more than move his eyebrows), I had schoolmates that were much better actors than he is, but he happened to look like the kid on the books' cover and was at the right place at the right time. many people in showbiz made their money because they happened to have certain looks and happened to be at the right place at the right time (and yes, they have it easy - if they choose to spend their wealth on drugs, they're not hard-done by, just self-destructive - it's their own stupid choice). Athletes do require lots of work and discipline, there's far more merit in sports celebrities than in singers that can't sing or actors that can't act.
A lot depends on how the money is made, some people became rich by working hard and inventing something new that had huge commercial success (in the Carnegie, Ford, etc tradition). others (in the 3rd world tradition) became rich by less honourable means - for example Carlos Slim (who is richer than Bill Gates), he has made his money through monopolies and ripping off consumers, he got his first monopoly by buying it form the government at a discount because he was the Mexican President's friend (practically all the Mexican rich made their money via government positions, political connections, drugs, monopolies, cartels, oligopolies or inheritance). There are worse cases, such as Robert Mugabe. Obviously drug barons are very rich, too (sometimes I think the world's true richest guy must be some American drug baron - remember that drug barons do more than just sell drugs, they murder rivals, police, etc). The same goes for other forms of organised crime (though theft is relative, there was some legitimacy in Francis Drake stealing stolen gold from the Spanish). There are rich people that are actually stupid, but with the right family and friends' connections, you can go far.
I don't dislike all the rich (see what I mentioned on innovation), but I don't automatically admire money, either. I think it's better to judge people by who they are or what they do, not the price tag on their car or the numbers on their bank accounts.


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22 Nov 2007, 1:23 pm

To think, musicians are also making such insane amounts of money, they can spend it on instruments I struggle to save up for, wanting to get this business of transferring sixteen millimeter films to DVD off the ground.



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22 Nov 2007, 3:30 pm

Damn straight we do. And I just bought Crysis for my million dollar PC.
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22 Nov 2007, 3:38 pm

I wish my family had lots of money. :(



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22 Nov 2007, 3:44 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, but not all rich people do real work to earn money. Particularly sports players and thespians. At least that is what the topic appears to be.

As for complaining not being an action, how about the French Revolution - there was a lot of complaining before the people addressed the complaint; you are right that a complaint is not an action, but it is something that needs to be addressed by some action.


Agreed.

Many so called "celebrities" are paid and credited too much, however.

Not enough money goes into science, and scientists aren't paid or recognised enough for their hard word and intelligence. I think it's disgusting that mediocre showmen are paid more than top scientists.


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22 Nov 2007, 3:48 pm

Anubis wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, but not all rich people do real work to earn money. Particularly sports players and thespians. At least that is what the topic appears to be.

As for complaining not being an action, how about the French Revolution - there was a lot of complaining before the people addressed the complaint; you are right that a complaint is not an action, but it is something that needs to be addressed by some action.


Agreed.

Many so called "celebrities" are paid and credited too much, however.

Not enough money goes into science, and scientists aren't paid or recognised enough for their hard word and intelligence. I think it's disgusting that mediocre showmen are paid more than top scientists.


i used to work in science, got paid peanuets for my hard word.



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22 Nov 2007, 4:09 pm

Anubis wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yes, but not all rich people do real work to earn money. Particularly sports players and thespians. At least that is what the topic appears to be.

As for complaining not being an action, how about the French Revolution - there was a lot of complaining before the people addressed the complaint; you are right that a complaint is not an action, but it is something that needs to be addressed by some action.


Agreed.

Many so called "celebrities" are paid and credited too much, however.

Not enough money goes into science, and scientists aren't paid or recognised enough for their hard word and intelligence. I think it's disgusting that mediocre showmen are paid more than top scientists.


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