Any mixed-race people here on wrongplanet? :)

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The quote is right, but you drew it out of it's context. I don't think that I am wrong, no matter how many times you like to let people believe this. So go ahead. We both have our own take on this, you just said that yourself. You also said this is pointless. I agree with that. So why are you still responding to me if I may ask? Why do you deliberately choose to continue this with me?

It's the 'Who's having the last word?' game again!

I'm usually the one playing this - it's weird watching other people do it!

Even though I haven't been involved in this argument could I possibly come in at the end and
still have the last word anyway?

That depends. Do you think you are up to the task?
You will have to fill in an application form before you can do that, because there are certain demands you will have to fullfil. And the competition is very, very strong. Many people have PM'd me already. They have been following this topic for weeks -some even months- now and prepared for this moment. They all wanted to have the last word.
Tell us why you should have the last word and not someone else.

Pokerface, I can relate to a certain extent. Last year, I was working at a place where there were primarily young guys from Antillean, Surinamese, and Moroccan descent. My father is Antillean, but I never grew up with his side of the family, I grew up with my Indo mother and aunts. I grew up in a small village, and went to special schools (for autistics etc.) where most students were white.
The 'allochtoon' co-workers approached me primarily as a fellow 'allochtoon', but then found that the way I walk, talk, move, etc. didn't correspond to, shall we say, the common stereotype of an 'allochtoon'. I was like Carlton Banks among Will and Jazz's friends on Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I was the 'Oreo', the 'Bounty'. They didn't make that big of an issue out of it (and a couple of co-workers were very friendly and forthcoming), but relating was still difficult.

I do encounter Antillean and Surinamese folks I get along with like a house on fire, who I can relate to perfectly; but they tend to be, like me, on the quirky side; yet this also goes for 'autochtone' people I meet and get along with.

Lol

Because I specialise in it?

Lol @ this topic. Dunno why this thing escalated. It was a nice topic to begin with, until someone started overanalyzing the definition of mixed race.
Also hilarous the discussion between whirlingmind and cafeaulait. Perhaps you two should just stop and give room to other people to share their experiences in being mixed race instead of killing the topic.

by the way, I am white and black, but people mistake me for Indian all the time. perhaps it is because i have a thick black beard and wear my hair long now.

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That is exactly what I was trying to say Cyclops.
Allthough I do have some objections against the terms "Bounty" and "Oreo".

I find it a bit odd that you have never experienced the declining tolerance and the growing fear of foreigners in Holland that has been going on for the last couple of years. Holland is still a good and fairly tolerant society, especially in comparison to ohter countries, but that does not mean that there is no xenophobia here.

I live in a provincial town in Holland instead of a big city like Rotterdam. That may be a partial explanation for the fact that we have different experiences.

I think that some mixed race people are "pretending to be white"" because of the fact that they don't show any interest at all in the culture of their none white family members. Sometimes they even feel uncomfortable in the presence of other people of color and a relationship with another black or mixed race person seems unthinkable to them. They have forgotten who they really are eventhough their hair is curly/kinky and their skin tone is unmistakebly brown.

To answer your question where my dad is from: he is (I should say was since he no longer alive) a West-African who came to Holland for his eduction. He was a student in The Netherlands when he and my mother first met.

But hey, I don't want to blow the whole mixed race issue out of proportion because it doesn't bother me anymore.
My aspergers is the real source of my limitations and problems, not the fact that I am mixed race. If I had been born with a bubbly, outgoing and optimistic personality my life would have been a lot easier.

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Long read, yet i have it bookmarked to check out

It sounds like you have Spanish Irish (Black Irish) (sometimes its been refered to as Castilian Spanish). The Spanish got around during a lot of travels.
Features would be dark hair, possibly eyes yet rest is Irish, i've had friends who were Spanish Irish (Black Irish).

On a different note, in the United States back in the day (not so far back) yet people who were mixed with various races such as Black or Native (anything dark) since our country is racist, so folks would often put Black Irish or Black Dutch in order to register as "whites" on things.

Hmmm... I have noticed a growing fear/hostility particularly towards muslims. When I was in France I noticed it as well. But not towards all groups of non-indigenous Dutch white people. Off course these groups still face prejudice. It's also interesting to see that Arabic people tend to cling together, much more than black caribbeans for example. Ik vond dit wel interessant om te lezen http://www.kennislink.nl/publicaties/cu ... ct-dan-ras. Deze site heeft volgens mij veel Amerikaanse leden, misschien dat de 'mixed race experience' voor hen wel anders is, al zal dat ook van persoon tot persoon verschillen.
But yeah, I very much agree with you that a lot of Dutch people aren't nearly as open minded and unprejudiced as they think they are. Some might SAY they are, but I doubt if it would be the same if you truly looked into their hearts and their unconscious. You can see it in the amount of internet racism. It's almost like internet racism is becoming worse than ever, yet sooo many people seem to think that racism is declining. When people are anonymous they let their hearts speak appearantly.

But the thing is, I have never really experienced explicit racism towards myself. I don't feel uncomfortable when I am around white people, or black people, asians, etc. They've never made negative comments about my heritage. Only one girl once asked me 'so you are half Surinamese. But you don't have an accent. That's interesting. A lot of Surinamese people do have a little accent'. Something like that. At the moment I didn't really think about it too much but now that I look back on it I do realize that that is quite an ignorant thing to say. Especially since allmost all biracial people I know just have a Dutch accent. Also completely ignoring the role of my indigenous father.

I guess living in Rotterdam is a lot different than living in a smaller provincial town. There were plenty of 'allochtone' leerlingen at my school. At my job.
It's is kind of striking that mixed-race people rarely seem to date eachother. I don't know if they purposely avoid each other or that it is just a coincidence. I would have no problem having a relationship with a mixed race person. But I just can't seem to run across any in my environment... where are they at? haha

Neither my father nor my mother have a muslim background but I've noticed that the xenophobia in Holland extends itself to 'foreign' looking people with a non muslim background.

I don't think there is a real justification for the fear of muslims but it doesn't come out of the blue after a series of terrorist attacks. The blatant and revolting antisemitism that seams to rule among some muslims doesn't help either ofcourse.
The problem is that all muslims get blaimed for the wrongdoings of a relatively small group and that is an undesirable and potentially dangerous situation.

I have come across some racism as a child and as an adult but again, I still don't think Holland is an intolerant society.

Can you give examples of the racism you experienced as child and adult?
And why you think it extends to foreign looking people?

I am Japanese, Italian, Native American.

I'm not sure if this counts. My parents are both from Ecuador, but I'm Canadian. Both sides of my family are part white and part South American(native).My sister looks South American and I look white and slightly Spanish. One of my cousins has ASD and she looks even whiter than me. Her sister is NT and darker. I wonder if there is a connection between ASD and pale skin?

According to my 23andme results I have the following heritage:

Irish
English
Netherlands
Mexican
Peruvian
Near East

That's from my maternal lineage, there is likely to be some other ancestry from my dad's site that is from far flung places because he tanned very, very dark and had jet black hair, even though he was blue-eyed, I can't get tested for his side because he is passed away.