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Kraichgauer
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17 Aug 2010, 8:26 pm
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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I'm very German on both sides, though I have a little Swedish and Polish on my Dad's side, and Austrian on my Mom's.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Are your ancestors from Kraichgau, Germany? Just going by your name.
Yes, as a matter of fact. On my Dad's side, to be exact. The Kraichgau is a region in Southwest Germany between the Rhine and the Neckar, which is now part of modern day Baden-Wurttemberg. While most of Baden-Wurttemberg speak Swabian-Alemannic dialects, the people of the Kraichgau and the region immediately to the east of the Neckar speak High Franconian dialects, which still gives them a sense of a separate history to this day. The Franks had invaded this particular region of Germany in the early 6th century, in an ongoing war with the Alemannic tribes there. Pushing many of the Alemanni out, the Franks settled down there, as they did in Gaul (France) to the west.
To be exact, my Dad's people were Black Sea Germans. That is, Germans from north Baden-Wurttemberg, north Alsace, and the Rhineland Palatinate (all Franconian speaking) invited by the Russian empire to colonize the 19th century Black Sea region recently taken from Turkey (much like the earlier, more famous Volga Germans mostly from Hesse).
Sorry to have diarrhea of the typing fingers (now, that's a weird image!), but hey, I have Asperger's, after all. History has been almost a life long obsession.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You sound alot like me! I love history!But I don't really have many ancestors from Kraichgau.
Most of my German ancestors are from Alsace Lorraine, including 5 of my ggg grandparents on my dad's side, who immigrated in the mid 1800s, (most others came during the late 1600s- early 1700s) Baden-Wurttemburg, and Hesse. Some are also from Saxony- Ahnalt, and Rudersberg, which is in Austria according to the map on Ancestry.com (confused on that one).
I had many many many German-speaking French Hugonauts also.
German is somewhere between 30% and 40% of my ancestry.
Guitar_Girl-
I'm always glad to hear from a fellow history buff who just happens to be a Deutscher!
Besides coming from the Kraichgau, the Dad's folks back in the Reformation period were supposed to originally been from Saxony. In fact, family tradition always maintained we had an ancestor who corresponded with Martin Luther. I myself found that Luther had had a life long friend and and fellow theologian named Wenesclaus Link (my family name). I found that he later relocated to Nuremberg, which today is in the Franconian speaking region of Bavaria, where he spent the rest of his life. I don't know for a fact that this man is an ancestor, but if he is, it would make sense: after the Thirty years war, the Kraichgau, as most of the rest of Germany, was so depleted in population that the nobles there recruited new settlers to come, mostly from areas where Franconian dialects were spoken.
When my Dad's people relocated to the Black Sea area in Russia (today Ukraine), a male ancestor married a lady from northern Alsace, who, as the settlers from the Kraichgau, also spoke a similar Franconian dialect. Someone who had also married into the family had been a deserter from the Prussian army - it may have been this person who had had roots in Holstein, thus speaking a Saxon Low German. Someone who had had a Swedish mother got into the bloodline, as did a Polish girl who had been taken in as a child by my ancestors after her parents had been murdered by robbers, when they were in Poland, waiting to be allowed into Russia.
My Mom's family isn't quite so labyrinthine. My Paternal Grandfather's people had concentrated on both sides of the Bavarian-Austrian border, and were fire breathing Catholics. While my maternal Grandmother had had roots in West Prussia. Because my Grandma was Lutheran, my Catholic Great Grandmother was certain that that Prussian girl was going to turn her boy into a Lutheran. He didn't convert, but he allowed his children to be brought up as Lutherans.
Sorry to have diarrhea of the typing fingers again, but as I've said before, history is an obsession of mine, and no one has an obsession like an Aspie!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You have some interesting ancestors. You know alot.
:lmao:I'll tell you about one of mine, though he's French.
My ancestor Peter Delong was one of my many Hugonaut ancestors, born in Lorraine. His parents were from Normandie, I think. His grantparents, Charles Langer was from Normandie (name changed to DeLong) and Marie De Marets (daughter of Jean De Marets and Sarah Bonnet) were from Wallonia, Belgium.
(from rootsweb)
De Long.--The progenitor of the De Long family was Peter De Long,8 originally De Lang, who came to Maxatawny at an early day from New York, where the family had located. The family name will ever be distinguished by the heroic achievements of Lieut. George W. De Long, of the American navy and leader of the ill-fated Jeanette Polar expedition, in which he perished.
Peter DeLong, the ancestor of the DeLong's of Berks county, migrated form Ulster county, NY, to PA, and settled in Maxatawny township, Berks county, (then Philadelphia county), in 1738. A patent for 186 acres was granted to him 6/27/1738. He was married in 1722 to Eva Elisabeth Weber, a daughter of Jacob and his wife, Anna Elisabeth Weber. Mr. Weber was a member of the famous Rev. Joshua Kocherthal Colony, which settled in Duchess county, NY, in the spring of 1709. In a record of the colony made 4/20/1710, we find the following mention of him and his family: "Jacob Weber, aged 30,
husbandman and wine-dresser; his wife Anna Elisabeth, 25, their children Anna Maria, 5; and
Eva Elisabeth 1." The land selected by Peter DeLong was a level tract of land, well timbered,
a few acres of the original forest are still standing, and well watered, is rich and productive. He, the pioneer, toiled and struggled clearing the land and building a house and rearing a God-fearing family. Near the close of his life, 10/8/1759, this pious Reformed Huguenot gave two acres of land for an
Evangelical Reformed Church and school house, not only for a short period, but as long as the sun and moon shall shine in the heavens and the rivers run down to the sea. It is therefore, not without reason that from the loins of this plain but God-fearing settler have sprung a long list of staunch Protestant heralds of the cross. he died about 1760 and his remains and that of his wife no doubt repose in the cemetery of the church of which he is regarded as the founder.
PETER DeLANGHE WAS A GERMAN SPEAKING FRENCH HUGUENOT. HIS FAMILY EMIGRATED FROM FRANCE OR WHAT WAS A GERMAN PRINCIPALITY. THE AREA WAS NOW WESTERN BELGIUM AND PART OF HOLLAND. THE FAMILY FIRST IMMIGRATED TO ULSTER CO., NEW YORK.
Guitar_Girl-
In the words of Mr. Spock: "Fascinating."
My Dad's people, once having reached America, settled the Dakotas in the 1870's, as most Black Sea Germans did. After which, by the 1890's, they had relocated to Oregon, then Washington (where I reside to this day) by the turn of the century.
My Mom's Mom's people had lived in Chicago since 1890's (I don't know when her Dad's folks came to Chicago, or America). As a child, my Mom's family moved all over the country, but ended up in Washington, where my parents met, got married, and made me!
I'm trying to make an effort not to have diarrhea of the finger tips, this time.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill
I'm on the other side of the country, near the Atlantic Ocean. (about 1 hour away)
All my ancestors settled in NY, NJ (including an English woman, tracing back to European royalty), or PA. Your family sure moved alot, more than mine. I have some relatives in Florida, who I used to get Christmas presents from, and my grandfather is in Minnesota. That's about it. I also have distant relativis in Washington. Do you know any Dotter families?
I can trace my ancestry back to the year 160 in Finland. Wow. I'm definately a European mutt. His name was Fornjotur Kvenland (names were weird back then) , who was born in 160 and died in 250. Finland was named after him. You can look him up http://www.kvenland.com/ . On the page it shows descendents of Fornjotur. His descendant, Nor, founded Norway. I find it fascinating how surnames change over years. See how Brusesson got to De Bruce.
I would have diarrhea of the fingers, but not much is known about him.
Guitar Girl-
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I had to have my computer worked on to rid it of nasty viruses.
But in answer to your question: no, I'm afraid I haven't ever heard of anyone with the name of Dotter; least wise that I can remember.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Guitar_Girl wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm very German on both sides, though I have a little Swedish and Polish on my Dad's side, and Austrian on my Mom's.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Are your ancestors from Kraichgau, Germany? Just going by your name.
Yes, as a matter of fact. On my Dad's side, to be exact. The Kraichgau is a region in Southwest Germany between the Rhine and the Neckar, which is now part of modern day Baden-Wurttemberg. While most of Baden-Wurttemberg speak Swabian-Alemannic dialects, the people of the Kraichgau and the region immediately to the east of the Neckar speak High Franconian dialects, which still gives them a sense of a separate history to this day. The Franks had invaded this particular region of Germany in the early 6th century, in an ongoing war with the Alemannic tribes there. Pushing many of the Alemanni out, the Franks settled down there, as they did in Gaul (France) to the west.
To be exact, my Dad's people were Black Sea Germans. That is, Germans from north Baden-Wurttemberg, north Alsace, and the Rhineland Palatinate (all Franconian speaking) invited by the Russian empire to colonize the 19th century Black Sea region recently taken from Turkey (much like the earlier, more famous Volga Germans mostly from Hesse).
Sorry to have diarrhea of the typing fingers (now, that's a weird image!), but hey, I have Asperger's, after all. History has been almost a life long obsession.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You sound alot like me! I love history!But I don't really have many ancestors from Kraichgau.
Most of my German ancestors are from Alsace Lorraine, including 5 of my ggg grandparents on my dad's side, who immigrated in the mid 1800s, (most others came during the late 1600s- early 1700s) Baden-Wurttemburg, and Hesse. Some are also from Saxony- Ahnalt, and Rudersberg, which is in Austria according to the map on Ancestry.com (confused on that one).
I had many many many German-speaking French Hugonauts also.
German is somewhere between 30% and 40% of my ancestry.
Guitar_Girl-
I'm always glad to hear from a fellow history buff who just happens to be a Deutscher!
Besides coming from the Kraichgau, the Dad's folks back in the Reformation period were supposed to originally been from Saxony. In fact, family tradition always maintained we had an ancestor who corresponded with Martin Luther. I myself found that Luther had had a life long friend and and fellow theologian named Wenesclaus Link (my family name). I found that he later relocated to Nuremberg, which today is in the Franconian speaking region of Bavaria, where he spent the rest of his life. I don't know for a fact that this man is an ancestor, but if he is, it would make sense: after the Thirty years war, the Kraichgau, as most of the rest of Germany, was so depleted in population that the nobles there recruited new settlers to come, mostly from areas where Franconian dialects were spoken.
When my Dad's people relocated to the Black Sea area in Russia (today Ukraine), a male ancestor married a lady from northern Alsace, who, as the settlers from the Kraichgau, also spoke a similar Franconian dialect. Someone who had also married into the family had been a deserter from the Prussian army - it may have been this person who had had roots in Holstein, thus speaking a Saxon Low German. Someone who had had a Swedish mother got into the bloodline, as did a Polish girl who had been taken in as a child by my ancestors after her parents had been murdered by robbers, when they were in Poland, waiting to be allowed into Russia.
My Mom's family isn't quite so labyrinthine. My Paternal Grandfather's people had concentrated on both sides of the Bavarian-Austrian border, and were fire breathing Catholics. While my maternal Grandmother had had roots in West Prussia. Because my Grandma was Lutheran, my Catholic Great Grandmother was certain that that Prussian girl was going to turn her boy into a Lutheran. He didn't convert, but he allowed his children to be brought up as Lutherans.
Sorry to have diarrhea of the typing fingers again, but as I've said before, history is an obsession of mine, and no one has an obsession like an Aspie!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You have some interesting ancestors. You know alot.
:lmao:I'll tell you about one of mine, though he's French.
My ancestor Peter Delong was one of my many Hugonaut ancestors, born in Lorraine. His parents were from Normandie, I think. His grantparents, Charles Langer was from Normandie (name changed to DeLong) and Marie De Marets (daughter of Jean De Marets and Sarah Bonnet) were from Wallonia, Belgium.
(from rootsweb)
De Long.--The progenitor of the De Long family was Peter De Long,8 originally De Lang, who came to Maxatawny at an early day from New York, where the family had located. The family name will ever be distinguished by the heroic achievements of Lieut. George W. De Long, of the American navy and leader of the ill-fated Jeanette Polar expedition, in which he perished.
Peter DeLong, the ancestor of the DeLong's of Berks county, migrated form Ulster county, NY, to PA, and settled in Maxatawny township, Berks county, (then Philadelphia county), in 1738. A patent for 186 acres was granted to him 6/27/1738. He was married in 1722 to Eva Elisabeth Weber, a daughter of Jacob and his wife, Anna Elisabeth Weber. Mr. Weber was a member of the famous Rev. Joshua Kocherthal Colony, which settled in Duchess county, NY, in the spring of 1709. In a record of the colony made 4/20/1710, we find the following mention of him and his family: "Jacob Weber, aged 30,
husbandman and wine-dresser; his wife Anna Elisabeth, 25, their children Anna Maria, 5; and
Eva Elisabeth 1." The land selected by Peter DeLong was a level tract of land, well timbered,
a few acres of the original forest are still standing, and well watered, is rich and productive. He, the pioneer, toiled and struggled clearing the land and building a house and rearing a God-fearing family. Near the close of his life, 10/8/1759, this pious Reformed Huguenot gave two acres of land for an
Evangelical Reformed Church and school house, not only for a short period, but as long as the sun and moon shall shine in the heavens and the rivers run down to the sea. It is therefore, not without reason that from the loins of this plain but God-fearing settler have sprung a long list of staunch Protestant heralds of the cross. he died about 1760 and his remains and that of his wife no doubt repose in the cemetery of the church of which he is regarded as the founder.
PETER DeLANGHE WAS A GERMAN SPEAKING FRENCH HUGUENOT. HIS FAMILY EMIGRATED FROM FRANCE OR WHAT WAS A GERMAN PRINCIPALITY. THE AREA WAS NOW WESTERN BELGIUM AND PART OF HOLLAND. THE FAMILY FIRST IMMIGRATED TO ULSTER CO., NEW YORK.
Guitar_Girl-
In the words of Mr. Spock: "Fascinating."
My Dad's people, once having reached America, settled the Dakotas in the 1870's, as most Black Sea Germans did. After which, by the 1890's, they had relocated to Oregon, then Washington (where I reside to this day) by the turn of the century.
My Mom's Mom's people had lived in Chicago since 1890's (I don't know when her Dad's folks came to Chicago, or America). As a child, my Mom's family moved all over the country, but ended up in Washington, where my parents met, got married, and made me!
I'm trying to make an effort not to have diarrhea of the finger tips, this time.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Bill
I'm on the other side of the country, near the Atlantic Ocean. (about 1 hour away)
All my ancestors settled in NY, NJ (including an English woman, tracing back to European royalty), or PA. Your family sure moved alot, more than mine. I have some relatives in Florida, who I used to get Christmas presents from, and my grandfather is in Minnesota. That's about it. I also have distant relativis in Washington. Do you know any Dotter families?
I can trace my ancestry back to the year 160 in Finland. Wow. I'm definately a European mutt. His name was Fornjotur Kvenland (names were weird back then) , who was born in 160 and died in 250. Finland was named after him. You can look him up http://www.kvenland.com/ . On the page it shows descendents of Fornjotur. His descendant, Nor, founded Norway. I find it fascinating how surnames change over years. See how Brusesson got to De Bruce.
I would have diarrhea of the fingers, but not much is known about him.
Guitar Girl-
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I had to have my computer worked on to rid it of nasty viruses.
But in answer to your question: no, I'm afraid I haven't ever heard of anyone with the name of Dotter; least wise that I can remember.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Ok. Thats alright.
Oops
. The Dotters probably changed the name. (about 32 variations...from Dutter to Dettera)
I'll have to look it up...
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No, I live in Poland 
I have a label rude, arrogant, better-than-you, but I just don't hide my great knowledge and practical sense! 
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20 Aug 2010, 4:58 pm
Valoyossa wrote:
No, I live in Poland
I have a label rude, arrogant, better-than-you, but I just don't hide my great knowledge and practical sense!
I have a label rude, arrogant, better-than-you, but I just don't hide my great knowledge and practical sense!
Good for you!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
