Do people today not know what a war is?

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In death, we're all equals.

Is all justification merely a facade or is it possible for there to be an actual reason for wars? Not just a "reason" in terms of some insulting psychological remarks by people who stand back and mock at a distance, but is it possible for the people who decide to go to war to have actual/rational/logical justifications for initiating or participating in a war?

Aquiring resources. Affirming ideology.

And the question on Jeopardy would be, "What justifications have been used?"

Are you comparing a war to a battle?

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Yes, a single day of a battle actually, compared to an entire decade of "war". June 6th, 1944, Doom's Day, versus the entire period starting in 2003 til 2010, which has had more casualties?

"Doom's Day"? Where'd you hear that one? The "D" in D-Day just means "the particular starting day of the operation" and was used in other places, we use it as shorthand for Normandy 'cause that was the big one.

Anyway, D-Day was a huge operation, but involved very light casualties compared to, say, the Somme. Compare the area of land involved and the numbers of men and amount of equipment involved, and you get a different story, and that's relevant to the war in Afghanistan; there's a huge amount been going on over many years, a massive military logistical effort, and so yes, it is most definitely war, even if it ain't the ahistorical modern Hollywood yay-for-Omaha-beach stuff*.

I do agree that the media, and perhaps people in general, don't have a sense of perspective about military deaths these days, but it doesn't mean we're not in a "real" war.


*the other American beach landing at Utah, and the beaches at Gold, Sword and Juno where the nonexistent Commonwealth and Allied forces who didn't take part didn't land, went pretty well; Omaha was a right cockup but involved Americans fighting and dying, so gets all the screen time...

I've heard veterans call it that.



Okay, I'll specify a little further here. What were the total casualties from start to finish of Operation Overlord? What are the total casualties from start to present of Operation Iraqi Freedom? Your choice if you wish to have both allied and axis or either one, but be consistent with the respective number for the other operation.

The real question is how the Russians inflicted such devasting losses on the german armies during the fight for Stalingrad. They

Not really. Stalin was Communist, sure. But his regime was corrupt beyond all reason. He killed more people than Hitler, but unlike arrogant Hitler was smart enough not to document it. So just because Stalin was bad doesn't necessarily mean that Communism is.

Though i do also have to say the eradicating religion part probably wouldn't go down very well with people. Maybe even next to impossible on a global scale.

Not that i'm pro-communism or anything.
but your reply was kind of biased & ignorant and it grated on me a little.
i like to look at things from all sides.

I'm just doing some wishful thinking.

I see religion as obsolete and a social control mechanism geared to maintain power in those establishments. Physics and Science pretty much disproved all of them.. Not to mention most religions just copying off others. Politics misconstrues religion, twists it into a ideology war and indoctrinates it's populations politically and religiously. People may say that the US allows all freedom of religion and speech, and this is true to an extent. Our foreign policy is made up mostly by powerful people, half of whom are Jewish.

War is all about power. They may use religious excuses to wage war, but in the end it's about power, resources, greed and nation building. Sometimes even to purposely put nations into debt. It's disgusting how much power corrupts people .. You'll see your war on terrors, and war on poverty (to keep people in poverty) but you'll never see a war on corruption. Fear tactics. We're told one thing, when the reality of it is totally different. America and most of the modern world are ran like corporations, because corporations run the world. The most powerful being the Federal Reserve.

When you are born.. On your birth certificate at the lower end, is a circle stamped with letters inside it.. mines in red letters. It is your number, and you are collateral to the federal reserve on the stock market. They own you and you can see how much you are worth on the market by doing this. You can Google about this. You're treated like a product, a human resource, cattle. People don't even understand we live in a Plutocracy. America is not a Democracy, it's setup is like an Republic but it's an Oligarchy.

Biased and ignorant eh, that is so not cool. My reply was a one liner, so if it grates on you, then get a spine.

They know their land, they know their seasons, they produced better tanks en masse than the Germans, and they even kicked Napoleon before when he tried to invade.

If you think about it.. Communism is one of the best forms of government, better than Capitalism. What's better than having land that's yours, a job, food.. and stability ? You don't get that with Capitalism, it's a corporate ladder process you haveto build your resume up, go to college and take courses where you'd find and learn the same thing from online, and go into debt for years on end for a piece of paper. I'm not saying Communism is perfect, but you'll never have a Democracy unless everyone's equal.

Communism could work if power weren't centralized. The problem is that the steps that were held as necessary to obtain all the equality marketed by Marx ended up making a worse situation than by most despotic rulers before them, Ivan excluded.

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