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21 Apr 2006, 1:01 pm

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Oh Emp did this thread really require your idiotic pollution on here?


Yes, it did. I am really sick of Christians sneaking in their "God bless" and "Godspeed" and "prayers" into wars and politics as if there is nothing wrong with it. It is very wrong to mix religion and wars, and Christians should be absolutely ashamed of their long history of appallingly bad standards of morality. I will not complain about spirituality, by all means have that if you wish, but a religion that gets mixed up with war and politics is not a truly a religion and lacks spirituality.

A person with a true sense of spirituality would never seek gods blessing or endorsement for war/violence/killing. My humanitarian side truly finds it emotionally sickening to see people mix god and war, and that is why I am responding to it. A religion that deals with war is anti-humanitarian.

You try to address a humanitarian issue with Christians, and the response you get from them is "you are idiotic".



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22 Apr 2006, 12:30 am

emp wrote:
jaguars_fan wrote:
Oh Emp did this thread really require your idiotic pollution on here?


Yes, it did. I am really sick of Christians sneaking in their "God bless" and "Godspeed" and "prayers" into wars and politics as if there is nothing wrong with it. It is very wrong to mix religion and wars, and Christians should be absolutely ashamed of their long history of appallingly bad standards of morality. I will not complain about spirituality, by all means have that if you wish, but a religion that gets mixed up with war and politics is not a truly a religion and lacks spirituality.

A person with a true sense of spirituality would never seek gods blessing or endorsement for war/violence/killing. My humanitarian side truly finds it emotionally sickening to see people mix god and war, and that is why I am responding to it. A religion that deals with war is anti-humanitarian.

You try to address a humanitarian issue with Christians, and the response you get from them is "you are idiotic".


So your saying that it is wrong to pray for those that are fighting in Iraq or whereever the troops are or even wishing them Godspeed. You sir should have pinhead tatooed on your forehead.



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22 Apr 2006, 5:20 am

Only a complete imbecile would post this thread in a forum that wasnt solely American, Christian, and pro-Iraq war and not expect any challenge to it. This thread is a political statement, would you give me the courtesy of keeping your opinions to yourself if i was a fan of the insurgency and started a thread calling for Muslims to back holy Allah in the quest to end the illegal Allied occupation? No didnt think so!



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24 Apr 2006, 1:26 am

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Only a complete imbecile would post this thread in a forum that wasnt solely American, Christian, and pro-Iraq war and not expect any challenge to it. This thread is a political statement, would you give me the courtesy of keeping your opinions to yourself if i was a fan of the insurgency and started a thread calling for Muslims to back holy Allah in the quest to end the illegal Allied occupation? No didnt think so!


And only a complete boob would come on here having a go at someone for merely posting thanks for our troops. This thread is not solely Christian, pro-war, elc its smply giving our troops thanks and our prayers. Please crawl back to whatever rock you came from.



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24 Apr 2006, 5:19 am

jaguars_fan wrote:
And only a complete boob would come on here having a go at someone for merely posting thanks for our troops. This thread is not solely Christian, pro-war, elc its smply giving our troops thanks and our prayers. Please crawl back to whatever rock you came from.


Well ok then, let's keep politics out of it, God bless you boys, may god protect you from harm, come back safely and all that. Just to prove im all about impartiality and equal rights, il say a prayer for and wish good luck to the insurgency as well, Al-hamdulillah, may the rightious sords of the believers always stay strong, Ma sha Allah.



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24 Apr 2006, 7:21 am

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Just to prove im all about impartiality and equal rights, il say a prayer for and wish good luck to the insurgency as well, Al-hamdulillah, may the rightious sords of the believers always stay strong, Ma sha Allah.


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24 Apr 2006, 8:15 am

Let's keep this civilized.



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25 Apr 2006, 9:34 pm

I am an agnostic, but if pretending to say a prayer with my brothers and sisters in arms will empower them with inner strength and help absolve their stresses into thin air, be it at a fictional god fearing entity, I am all for it. Religion is a brilliant doop; the opiate of the masses(marx was grosely misunderstood on that quote)

On a side note, you can hate the war, but you must always love the warrior.



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26 Apr 2006, 10:04 am

I'm for the insurgency myself - good luck to them. As Eamonn says, only an idiot would post something supporting an illegal and unpopular war and expect no opposition. Most of the world, even many Americans, are against Bush's bloodbath, and just giving hopeless messages supporting the troops only makes you an easy target for anti-war people like me!



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26 Apr 2006, 10:13 am

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I hate that. The topic of discussion is something that should not have any religious aspect, and then some Christian comes along and adds his 2 cents while saying god this, and god that, and god bless, and god alf***ingmighty is the greatest I want to sleep with him and his babies, and then when you complain about it, they look at you all innocent and wide-eyed and say, "But I was not being religious! This isn't about god!"

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I'm sorry that you seem to be so easily upset about other's beliefs in and about God.....
but that's not really what this thread is about.


You are CORRECT! So why did you bring god into it? And why did jaguars_fan say "God bless" and "Godspeed" and ask for prayer? The war should not have any religious aspect, and yet throughout the entire history of Christianity we have these war-mongering Christians who continually think that god condones and supports their wars. It is appalling behavior and I hope that in future, Christians can learn to govern themselves in a more appropriate, ethical, and moral manner.


You are a very sad individual. If you freak out this much when someone types the word God on the internet, I can only imagine what you do if someone says it to you in person. Do I throw a hissy fit when someone tells me they don't believe in God? No. It's their life and they can say whatever they want. Just like I'm not gonna freak out if someone says Krishna or Zeus. So the person chose to say God bless or whatever. So what? The poster didn't mean it to be an insult or to force his/her views on you. You only reveal your insecurities when you respond to statements like that with such anger. If someone says they hope Allah protects me I'm going to take that as a compliment that they don't want harm to come to me. If I was an atheist I would just let it slide off me or politely inform the person that I don't believe in God. My atheist friends do this and I don't take any offense from that.



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26 Apr 2006, 10:17 am

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I agree with Tequila that it is pointless, and the reason why is because no troops will be reading this thread here on WP, so yes, what IS the point? There is none, it is a useless topic.


It's a useless topic in your opinion because you don't like the subject. Try using some common sense. People in the military do have internet access. That's how I kept in touch with my brother while he was stationed in Iraq. He is now safely home and prepare yourself emp, I thank God, Allah, Krishna, Zeus, etc. that he made it back physically and mentally whole.



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26 Apr 2006, 10:19 am

eamonn wrote:
jaguars_fan wrote:
And only a complete boob would come on here having a go at someone for merely posting thanks for our troops. This thread is not solely Christian, pro-war, elc its smply giving our troops thanks and our prayers. Please crawl back to whatever rock you came from.


Well ok then, let's keep politics out of it, God bless you boys, may god protect you from harm, come back safely and all that. Just to prove im all about impartiality and equal rights, il say a prayer for and wish good luck to the insurgency as well, Al-hamdulillah, may the rightious sords of the believers always stay strong, Ma sha Allah.


You should pray that the insurgents learn how to aim those rockets. All they keep hitting are innocent men, women, and children.



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26 Apr 2006, 10:27 am

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You should pray that the insurgents learn how to aim those rockets. All they keep hitting are innocent men, women, and children.


If you're going to talk about who is doing what over there, perhaps we should have some information.

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Nearly 25, 000 civilians have been killed since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, a US-British non-governmental organisation says, based on survey of media reports.

The Iraq Body Count survey blames 37 per cent of the deaths on US-led forces, an assertion denied by the US military.

Insurgents caused only 9.5 per cent of the deaths, the survey says, but criminal gangs that were often hard to distinguish from insurgents accounted for 36 per cent. Neil MacDonald, Baghdad.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/70d21a2c-f8bb- ... 511c8.html


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The report, which was brought out by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), an independent think tank, says that foreign militants - mainly from Algeria, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia - account for less than 10% he estimated 30,000 insurgents in Iraq.

"The pattern of detainments and intelligence analysis indicates that the total number of foreign volunteers is well below 10% and may well be closer to 4-6%" the study says.

http://www.csis.org/features/050927_civilwar.pdf


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Of the roughly 2,929 terrorism-related deaths around the world since the attacks on New York and Washington, the NBC News analysis shows 58 percent of them — 1,709 — have occurred this year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435

The figure for civilian deaths in Iraq has now risen to more than 29,000. If 37% are attributed to the US military, that's 10,730. Since and including the WTC attacks in the USA, almost 6,000 people around the world have been killed by Muslim terrorists. Yep, that's right, the US military is racking up almost twice as many kills against civilians.

However, I know that those deaths caused by the USA military are mostly due to negligence rather than homicidal intent. But I really don't think that difference makes the victims any less dead.



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26 Apr 2006, 10:56 am

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emp wrote:
I agree with Tequila that it is pointless, and the reason why is because no troops will be reading this thread here on WP, so yes, what IS the point? There is none, it is a useless topic.


It's a useless topic in your opinion because you don't like the subject. Try using some common sense. People in the military do have internet access. That's how I kept in touch with my brother while he was stationed in Iraq. He is now safely home and prepare yourself emp, I thank God, Allah, Krishna, Zeus, etc. that he made it back physically and mentally whole.


How many thousands of soldiers over there use wrongplantet.net as their means of communication to keep in touch with their family? Very few id imagine. I think you need to learn some common sense if you expect people not to let their opposition known in this thread.

Even if by some miracle you are right and people should all just shut up and let such typical rightist arrogance slide, does anyone with half a brain start a thread like this in a 'nuetral' website without knowing fine well it will cause an argument.

It's the equivalent of some racist saying in mixed company "well god bless dem darn cluckers, they are doing a PR run, let's wish them well everybody" , then get when some people retort and then going "well this isnt about race, this isnt about god, this is about wishing people good luck now f**k off".



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26 Apr 2006, 10:59 am

It's a war, so naturally there are multiple sides, multiple perspectives. People are dying and being cripplied and disfigured on both sides. Naturally some support one side, some support another. So I hope people won't pop up with something as silly as "You can only speak of supporting MY side here!"



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26 Apr 2006, 11:59 am

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I'm for the insurgency myself - good luck to them. As Eamonn says, only an idiot would post something supporting an illegal and unpopular war and expect no opposition. Most of the world, even many Americans, are against Bush's bloodbath, and just giving hopeless messages supporting the troops only makes you an easy target for anti-war people like me!


Wow! You must know everything! Have you ever been to Iraq? Better yet, how many different regions did you experience over there? Which ethnoreligous groups were you able to react with? What did they think about the war? :roll:

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