Tensu wrote:
I always considered masculinity to be more about honor, tenacity, and ambition than hair, booze, and sports, and in that sense I feel very masculine despite being a nerdy teetotaler... though in the hair department, if I had black stripes, you'd mistake me for a tiger
I am very unmanly in those ways as well but I do try to be honorable but I have a different definition than lots of people. I believe in being respectful & treading others like I would want be be treated & I care about doing the rite things & not being hypocritical.
Talis wrote:
Not saying anything about you because I don't know you... but MOST humans today know nothing about honor... especially most men... too much pride and ego to do anything honorable >_<. I see honor simply as a trait of the honorable. Maybe the word valor would apply to men more so... but honor... not so much in the world I've seen.
I think they use the
Klingon definition of
honor. They get drunk & never back from a fight. It's better to die than to face the dishonor of being a coward. That is why they are heavily armed & kill their enemies
At least the Klingons consider lying to be dishonorable.