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03 Dec 2010, 5:24 am

Yeah I have to concur. Like many, I was raised in a family which tries to get the kids to believe in Santa for as long as possible, and once you find out you're not supposed to tell the younger children who are still "blissfully happy" with the whole concept.

But I was seriously troubled with the realization that Santa wasn't real. It did horrible things to my natural faith processing centers. I became cynical and completely atheist because of the deception. I imagine that my aspergers didn't help at the time, because aspies HATE being lied to. Later on, it impaired my ability to understand God and I equated the two because of the similarities. Not until later did I realize that just because two concepts have similar attributes, they aren't necessarily both false. Now I fully understand the purpose of the deception. Its to cause in children exactly what happened to me. Its purpose is to sabotage a child's faith, so when they get over the pain of Santa not being real, they are determined to not allow themselves to be duped in the same way twice. Thus when someone comes along and shares Christ with them, their reaction will be dismissal rather than even exploring the possibility of there being truth in the story.

Anyway, I have a chip against Santa its true. I can see heaps of damage being done to Western civilization as a whole because of it.



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03 Dec 2010, 5:42 am

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lol its cute :)


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03 Dec 2010, 8:58 am

Santa Clause is more likely a form of the earlier Sinterklaas, the anagram with Satan is just a result of changing language. As a tool to shake the faith in god? That seems pretty far fetched, Christians tried their best to take over a pagan holiday, but it was never about Christ. It's an early case of if you can't beat them, join them. Santa is no less real than god, popular belief and faith can't make things real and unreal because you find out it was a lie. Faith is based on the word of others who's only proof is the word of others and so on.

I've seen countless photos of terrified children on santas lap, kids get scared into believing or else they might not get a present. He's creepy.



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03 Dec 2010, 10:57 am

I will concede that the Winter Solstice was originally a pagan celebration that Christians hijacked, and then later the pagans hijacked it back. That's essentially what happened. But I do see the spiritual forces at work with the whole Santa thing. I consider the true enemy to be "powers and principalities and rulers in high places" - not human beings. Human beings are puppeted by them, yes, but there's much more sinister intentions going on than what most people realize. As such, I can see the patterns in a lot of things having to do with that. Satan wants to derail the faith of children. Its pretty basic. Santa is the perfect vehicle to accomplish this. And so its very heavily promoted. There are other agendas of course, like the over sexualization of kids or whatever. I'm just acknowledging that the concept of Santa is indeed very creepy when you look at all the implications. :)



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03 Dec 2010, 2:32 pm

Recon wrote:
I will concede that the Winter Solstice was originally a pagan celebration that Christians hijacked, and then later the pagans hijacked it back. That's essentially what happened. But I do see the spiritual forces at work with the whole Santa thing. I consider the true enemy to be "powers and principalities and rulers in high places" - not human beings. Human beings are puppeted by them, yes, but there's much more sinister intentions going on than what most people realize. As such, I can see the patterns in a lot of things having to do with that. Satan wants to derail the faith of children. Its pretty basic. Santa is the perfect vehicle to accomplish this. And so its very heavily promoted. There are other agendas of course, like the over sexualization of kids or whatever. I'm just acknowledging that the concept of Santa is indeed very creepy when you look at all the implications. :)


Half the Christian holidays are stolen holidays from some other form of religion.

Easter was originally Pagan holiday.



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03 Dec 2010, 2:43 pm

I never found Santa creepy. I always thought he was a composite character, partly Western Marketing, partly a Dutch man who was known to be kind to the poor, and partly an early Turkish bishop named St Nicklaus.

He was called St Nicholas in the 18th century so he predates Coca Cola. Coca cola just came up with his contemporary image.

I was always a fan of Santa. I grew up in days where a man could be a kind uncle or grandfather or neighbour and have noone think he was a paedophile, unless he was one of course.

When I was 4, my cousins were talking about how Santa wasnt real. Then me and my brother went shopping with my parents and we saw our presents in their trolleys. So we both knew pretty early on that it was really our parents.

When I was 9, I went to stay the night at this girls house, also 9, I didnt know her well but it was sort of a playdate idea of my mothers. The girl had a 12 year old sister. It was 2 days before Christmas.

We were playing outside and the girl said "I cant wait to see what Santa brings me this year."
I said "What? You still believe in Santa? You are 9. There is no Santa."
She said, distressed "Yes there is. My parents said so."
I said "No, your parents should have told you by now. There is no Santa, and you are far too old to still believe in him."
The girl started crying and the sister said "What's wrong?"
I said "She still believes in Santa and I was telling her there is no Santa. Your parents should have told her years ago."
The sister, trying to defend her sister from the Bull In A China Shop aspie kid, said "There is a Santa."
I said "What? You are 12? Your parents never told you either? That is incredible."

We went back to the house, the girl still crying (I didnt realise she would be upset, being an aspie and everything) and still arguing with the older sister, not realising that the sister was just saying that to protect her sister from me. That was too complicated a social concept for me to understand...

There was no sleepover in the end. They phoned my mother and I was sent home. I didnt understand why I was sent home and my mum had to explain to me what had happened as I was very confused.

Everyone was happy to blame me but I still think her parents were idiotic for letting her believe until she was 9. The longer the child is allowed to believe an illusion like this, the harder it will be when they find out, especially if an aspie tells them. :?


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03 Dec 2010, 7:57 pm

I know Santa isn't real or anything. He just still creeps me out completely. I would never let him near my children and I don't want children. But if I did have children. I'd tell them that Santa wasn't real. Just so that way they won't be celebrating some creepo.



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03 Dec 2010, 8:21 pm

The holiday version of a clown maybe? I think I was all right with Santa.



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03 Dec 2010, 11:03 pm

sluice wrote:
The holiday version of a clown maybe? I think I was all right with Santa.


Maybe. I always liked clowns funny enough.



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04 Dec 2010, 1:18 am

I remember an colleague (nt) telling me at work about how she never sat on santa's knee at any xmas event as a child because her parents never understood the point of forcing children to sit on some strangers knee.

I remember being terrified of Santa (there is a pic of me on santa's lap crying out of fright) for a while but after that I was quite happy to sit on his knee. as for belief I remember believing in Santa until I was about 9, at that point I found the place where my parents put the presents that came from santa, so I figured the whole thing out then. My parents didn't tell us that he didn't exist we just worked it out on our own.



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05 Dec 2010, 8:35 pm

Santa is just a weird dude and we can all agree on that.



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06 Dec 2010, 4:17 am

ediself wrote:
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That made my night! :lmao: Thanks for the laugh!



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07 Dec 2010, 6:27 am

Kevin Bloody Wilson agrees with this post :santa:
"Sneaking into them little kids rooms he's a f#ckin pedophile"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhF47j2VK6M[/youtube]


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07 Dec 2010, 1:21 pm

i love santa and all of his helpers/reindeer. :D


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