Is use of chemicals for hygiene really worth it?

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10 Feb 2011, 12:34 am

My skin always got red after using it and it almost looked like a rash.
Peppermint causes the blood to go to the surface of the skin and if you are allergic I can imagine that that would be a real bad combination.



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10 Feb 2011, 11:39 pm

this is why and water mines down quite a lot.


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11 Feb 2011, 12:59 pm

I believe that 98% of the reports on household chemicals "causing cancer" and posing other hazards, are simply lies told in order to allow crooked lawyers to file lawsuits against companies.

I use bleach for disinfecting, trichloroethane for stain removal, my air conditioners have real R-12 Freon, and I drive Diesel cars. I use real soap in the shower; and kerosene to get oil or grease off hands & arms. I don't want to stink, so I use deodorant with aluminum chloride in it. It works, and I don't stink :) . I don't get sick, and I'm (God willing) in perfect health and have regular physicals. And of course I have good asbestos kitchen mitts, and asbestos pads above the furnace in the attic. I don't want burnt hands in the kitchen, or a house fire.

Gimme chemicals or gimme death!

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11 Feb 2011, 2:48 pm

I have some experience working with cleaning chemicals. 10months as a dishwasher; cleaned bathrooms & other things to. 25months cleaning floors at WalMart, cleaned bathrooms sometimes. 3months as a custodian at a sporting goods store; cleaned bathrooms, dusted shelves ect. I HATED the dishwasher job partly because I have skin allergens & the chemicals were hell on my skin. Certain chemicals can cause lots of problems with my sinuses to. I don't think a lot of chemicals are usually needed for basic home cleaning. The basic soup & water works really well for most things. I don't like using dusting chemicals because they can give me headaches or make me sneeze; I find a rag that's slightly damp with water works quite well instead even for electronic stuff if you have things turned off or unplugged; dry it with a different rag rite after


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11 Feb 2011, 5:12 pm

kx250rider wrote:
I believe that 98% of the reports on household chemicals "causing cancer" and posing other hazards, are simply lies told in order to allow crooked lawyers to file lawsuits against companies.


Yeah...not so much lawyers, more biologists etc., or people who have actually experienced serious health problems as a result of such chemicals in household cleaning, toiletries, industry, and environment - cancer is an environmental disease. It's not a matter of belief.


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11 Feb 2011, 7:03 pm

I have some friends who have cut everything like cosmetics chemicals, normal soaps, food additives etc out of their lives. They have never felt better.

When they come across these chemicals say when they are away from home they can notice a noticeable difference of how the feel due to the crap ending up in their bodies.


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13 Feb 2011, 6:28 pm

I don't think chemicals are worth it. I prefer the recycling committee. That's what I think of the bacteria and other organisms living in my fishtanks decomposing as much cleaner than bleach and stuff. :lol: Once they're done, you get rich soil for new plants to grow, for new fish to eat and so forth. I think it's really a question of keeping things in balance. And for getting sick, well, it's good to get a cold every now and then, I think. Helps keep your immune system up to date.


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14 Feb 2011, 2:11 am

Yeah, I thought about it. It doesn't make much sense though, but since someone started the thread I'll just keep going.

If you are talking about a specific chemical than maybe we can have a discussion.
So what are "chemicals" exactly? Using such a vague word means the discussion doesn't have a lot of meaning.

Let my prove my point, do you agree or disagree with the following.
1. Stuff causes cancer.
2. Stuff is bad or toxic
3. Stuff is not natural

Muddy the waters with some anecdotes and opinions, use words like "natural" etc. and you're on your way to having a meaningless discussion.



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14 Feb 2011, 2:32 am

jackbus01, you want us to narrow it down to just one chemical ingredient, hmmm?
It may be vague, but narrowing it down more at this point would result in being too specific.


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14 Feb 2011, 2:49 am

Bloodheart wrote:
jackbus01, you want us to narrow it down to just one chemical ingredient, hmmm?
It may be vague, but narrowing it down more at this point would result in being too specific.


Yes, but my point is that someone can talk about say:
"the SLS in shampoo causes skin problems for me" and that can be debated/discussed but,
"chemicals are bad" is so vague you really can't talk about it and as a result this thread is full of random postings.
So what does everyone mean by "chemicals"
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14 Feb 2011, 3:00 am

I wonder about deodorant. What's in it regular deodorant and is there a better alternative to it?



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14 Feb 2011, 3:02 am

Well to quote what i wrote earlier;

(not my actual writing but taken from the net somehwere)

"Water is the most abundant ingredient in antibacterial soaps because it is used as a carrier and a diluent for the other ingredients. Deionized or distilled water is used in cleansing products because the ions found in hard wat...er can interfere with certain detergents. Formulas may contain 40-80% water. Although the FDA has not yet officially ruled which active ingredients will be allowed by law, there are two ingredients commonly used in the industry at this time as antibacterial agents. One is 3,4,4'-trichlorocarbanilide (commonly called trichlocarban), which is used in bar soaps. The other, more common ingredient, is 2-hydroxy-2',4,4'-trichlorodiphenyl ether (commercially known as triclosan), which is used in liquids. These ingredients work by denaturing cell contents or otherwise interfering with metabolism of microbes. They are functional at levels as low as 0.5%. Both are effective against a broad range of microorganisms."

Surely this cannot be good for our health using anti-bacterial soap?

Besides what it does to our cells directly it also leads to more resistant types of bacteria with prolonged use if i am correct.

There two articles are sourced:

http://www.naturalnews.com/031192_soap_chemicals.html
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The active ingredient in antibacterial soap may produce allergies in children, according to a study conducted by researchers from the University of Michigan and published in the journal "Environmental Health Perspectives."

The chemical, known as triclosan, has previously been implicated in immune system dysfunction and in disruption of the hormonal system (endocrine disruption). It can also react with the chlorine in tap water to produce carcinogenic dioxins.


http://www.naturalnews.com/029006_antib ... oxins.html
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Dioxins are a group of highly toxic compounds that are persistent environmental pollutants. People are exposed to dioxins through the environment and the food chain -- the highest levels of these compounds are found in soils, sediments and food such as dairy products, meat, fish and shellfish. And, according to the World Health Organization (WHO), this exposure can cause reproductive and developmental problems, damage the immune system, interfere with hormones and also cause cancer.

So you would never flush dioxins into your water supply, right? If you use antibacterial soaps and other antibacterial products, you could be doing the equivalent of just that.


Personally I would at least avoid anti bacterial soaps for the environmental impacts alone. The potential health impacts just adds to it.

"normal" soap I do not know much about really.

Alternatively we could all be using stuff like Dr Bronners, Baking Soda, Lemon Juice and White Vinegar.

As far as I have been able to work out it is more economical to buy those things, there are less to no harmful effects from using the products around your home and it wont do damage to the environment when flushed down the drain.

Sourced as well:
http://www.naturalnews.com/030086_house ... oxins.html

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- Basic Household Cleaner: Mix together one teaspoon liquid castile soap, a squeeze of lemon juice, and one quart of warm water. If a surface needs extra power, try saturating area with moist salt or baking soda, allow to sit for ten minutes, and scour.
- To Cut Grease: Dissolve one teaspoon castile soap in one quart of hot water and add 1/4 cup lemon juice. Let item/surface soak for ten minutes before scrubbing.
- Toilet Bowl Cleaner: Sprinkle 1/4 cup baking soda into bowl and add 1 cup lemon juice. Let sit for 1/2 hour, scrub, and flush.
- Basin, Tub and Tile Cleaner: Mix together 1/2 cup baking soda with three tablespoons liquid castile soap. Scrub as usual.
- Drain Cleaner/Deodorizer: Pour 1/2 cup baking soda down drain followed by one cup hot lemon juice. Let sit for 10 minutes and then run water for 30 seconds.
- Glass/Window Cleaner: Mix four tablespoons of lemon juice with 1/2 gallon warm water.
- For Dishes and Tough Stains: Mix lemon juice and baking soda to make a scrubbing paste.
- Use baking soda as you would any abrasive cleanser.


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14 Feb 2011, 3:40 am

buryuntime wrote:
I wonder about deodorant. What's in it regular deodorant and is there a better alternative to it?


I just use rubbing alcohol (isopropanol) in a spray bottle. It works great because it will disinfect the skin of my armpits, killing the bacteria that causes odors.

The ingredients to deodorants are usually listed on the container.



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14 Feb 2011, 6:52 am

My friend uses this because he has sensitive skin. Healthy eco friendly deodarant without parabens (which cause cancer for peoples information), no alcohol and no animal testing.

http://www.crystalspring.co.uk/natural- ... a32c463531


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14 Feb 2011, 1:17 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
I wonder about deodorant. What's in it regular deodorant and is there a better alternative to it?


I just use rubbing alcohol (isopropanol) in a spray bottle. It works great because it will disinfect the skin of my armpits, killing the bacteria that causes odors.


Really? I did not know that, although now that you say it, it does make sense. Does the alcohol stain clothes? I know my deodorant will sometimes stain my blouses.


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14 Feb 2011, 3:45 pm

buryuntime wrote:
I wonder about deodorant. What's in it regular deodorant and is there a better alternative to it?


Check your normal brand here; Skin Deep Deodorants - it'll tell you how harmful a particular brand is (green, amber, red with scoring of 0-10 on how harmful a brand might be) as well as give details on various different ingredients. You also have a list of posts over on the Natural Living community on Livejournal - here - which includes a few home recipes for deodorant, thoughts on 'natural' brands and some explanation as to why 'regular deodorant' may be a concern.

The first page of the above link from Skin Deep also includes the less harmful deodorant brands, you'll notice most are crystal deodorants, most people I know use these as an alternative to other deodorants, hell you see these crystal deodorants a lot in high-street stores now too because they do actually work. I used to use either crystal deodorant or pop on lemon grass essential oil when bathing, sometimes now I'll use a little witch-hazel liquid.

Honestly I use nothing most of the time, I swear I'm worse when I use deodorant - 'natural' or 'regular'


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