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20 Dec 2011, 3:58 pm

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It's not something you're going to read about and believe. You can do it or see it and then think about it a lot and work it out. The way you work it out will itself be a model, a trick, a story, but that's how we work. Aspies are in a unique position here, both as potential healers and for the amount of junk we hold onto to limit the overwhelming raw information we get from what I call the real world (this also being a mere story). I'll write up my grand theory about all of it, though it'll turn out a lot like a modern version of Buddhism. It'll get a lot of followers who miss the point. But a useful trick is good start.
I see ... so this is Religion ... mere pointless nonsense.
Has nothing to do with faith. There's a measurable effect, not sure how one would go about it however. The voltages are rather minute at least in my case.

If you are not sure how to go about measuring the alleged effect, then you could not know how minute the "voltages" may be.

Faith is the belief in unprovable things, and you have proven nothing.

Religion is the expression of faith, and you are expressing an unprovable belief.

Therefore, this is religion, not science.

This thread should be in the PP&R forum.



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20 Dec 2011, 7:57 pm

It's not religion. It's not something you can prove to someone in words on a forum. Maybe you can't imagine how that's possible, but that would be a weakness of yours.



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20 Dec 2011, 10:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
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It's not something you're going to read about and believe. You can do it or see it and then think about it a lot and work it out. The way you work it out will itself be a model, a trick, a story, but that's how we work. Aspies are in a unique position here, both as potential healers and for the amount of junk we hold onto to limit the overwhelming raw information we get from what I call the real world (this also being a mere story). I'll write up my grand theory about all of it, though it'll turn out a lot like a modern version of Buddhism. It'll get a lot of followers who miss the point. But a useful trick is good start.
I see ... so this is Religion ... mere pointless nonsense.
Has nothing to do with faith. There's a measurable effect, not sure how one would go about it however. The voltages are rather minute at least in my case.

If you are not sure how to go about measuring the alleged effect, then you could not know how minute the "voltages" may be.

Faith is the belief in unprovable things, and you have proven nothing.

Religion is the expression of faith, and you are expressing an unprovable belief.

Therefore, this is religion, not science.

This thread should be in the PP&R forum.


Sure? Nope, not sure, but I have a clue. I think a coil of ultra fine copper wire could measure the effect.

Maybe someone of your obvious scientific mind would think of something like that, then again, maybe not?

Again this has nothing to do with belief unless you're saying humans are incapable of producing a magnetic field, in which case I'd have to ask you how a heart monitor works, or an electroencephalograph for example.



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20 Dec 2011, 11:23 pm

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You could ask people I've known. They all commented on the warmth and healing effect. It was later that I worked out the process.

You don't need to understand it for it to be true, of course. Someone holding onto a story - in your case a craving for 'evidence' - isn't ready to connect to reality. To be healed you have to be ready to let go of whatever story is hurting you.


You know, if you simply apologize to whatever part that hurts, you heal faster. I told a friend of mine who knocked her elbow and it was giving her trouble. I said, first thing you have to do is apologize to your elbow, let go of the anger. And I did my thing also, she said 30 minutes later the pain went away completely, and it had been bothering her all day. Took a little longer with her because she had to use her elbow at work, so she was giving an injured limb a workout, that doesn't help.



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21 Dec 2011, 3:11 am

I believe in energy healing >_> as well as practice it. I also do not believe that science and "spirituality" always need to be on opposite sides of the spectrum...however, that's not an idea that is usually widely accepted. Nor is it one I feel like providing evidence for because I'm always on here at 1 in the morning, I'm much too tired and lazy to care.

However, I do agree the thread may be best served in another section.



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21 Dec 2011, 4:04 am

In which ? For instance ?

As for me, I believe it's the right forum because for those who practice, the reiki is so... random :)
And for those who have other ways to do so, it's also... well, usual.
The effects may (or may not) be exceptional but the doing is just, plain.



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21 Dec 2011, 4:46 am

The power of the mind is truly a wondrous thing. I'm not a believer, but I'm a big supporter of playing tricks on ones brain to improve the quality of life.

<obligatory quip at homeopathy>


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21 Dec 2011, 8:43 am

Lecks wrote:
The power of the mind is truly a wondrous thing. I'm not a believer, but I'm a big supporter of playing tricks on ones brain to improve the quality of life.

<obligatory quip at homeopathy>


Well there's definitely something to be said for pulling anger or regret away from an injury. The energy and chemical processes can easily get blocked by the neuropeptides responsible for anger, regret, any of those negative emotions. Just like any injury in life or say a freeway. Emergency services have to clear a path to an accident before effecting repair. There's no difference between that and what's going on inside your body, except proteins take the place of fire engines, and blocking traffic etc.