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21 Dec 2011, 5:21 pm

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Oppositional defiance failure. You'd kill yourself rather than listen to reason. Sadness.

To be fair, 'Keet,it all depends on what kind of risk vs benefit ratio you're willing to accept. If the risk of cancer and other lung-related illnesses doesn't register as greater than the reward of regular nicotine boosts then there is very little anyone can say to change their mind.

Personally, I'm more afraid of dieing from getting hit by a car when crossing the street or just walking on the sidewalk than I am of cigarette-induced maladies. I'm also not bothered by the possible prospect of not living to see my 60th birthday.


Personally, I want to live as long as possible. Crossing a street one can be aware of the traffic around them and actively preserve their life, but self poisoning isn't something that can have the risks actively negated.


I'm all for healthy living. If I hadn't started smoking when I did, I doubt I would be now. Unfortunately, it's just one of those things you do when young that, often times, carries over into adulthood.

Bad habits are hard to break.

With that said, I've delayed a trip to the store for a pack successfully for the last 3 days now. Super proud of myself, but I'm ready to crack...


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21 Dec 2011, 5:29 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Oppositional defiance failure. You'd kill yourself rather than listen to reason. Sadness.

To be fair, 'Keet,it all depends on what kind of risk vs benefit ratio you're willing to accept. If the risk of cancer and other lung-related illnesses doesn't register as greater than the reward of regular nicotine boosts then there is very little anyone can say to change their mind.

Personally, I'm more afraid of dieing from getting hit by a car when crossing the street or just walking on the sidewalk than I am of cigarette-induced maladies. I'm also not bothered by the possible prospect of not living to see my 60th birthday.


Personally, I want to live as long as possible. Crossing a street one can be aware of the traffic around them and actively preserve their life, but self poisoning isn't something that can have the risks actively negated.


I'm all for healthy living. If I hadn't started smoking when I did, I doubt I would be now. Unfortunately, it's just one of those things you do when young that, often times, carries over into adulthood.

Bad habits are hard to break.

With that said, I've delayed a trip to the store for a pack successfully for the last 3 days now. Super proud of myself, but I'm ready to crack...


Probably a lot more difficult than trying to quit drinking soda for me, although when soda's unavailable I drink water and it isn't so bad. Still haven't been able to give up sodas yet and I need to, especially since there are a lot of diabetics in my family.



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21 Dec 2011, 7:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Not sure if serious or sarcastic satire.


It's serious within the context of the movie and from me. Both my mother and father died due to smoking. My dad from lung cancer and my mom by congestive heart failure due to emphysema.


go away anti-smoker. I don't want to hear it. Stop trying to force your ideals on others.
Do you actually think that smokers are unaware of the health risks?
I'm well aware of how unhealthy it is to smoke. Thing is, I don't care how unhealthy it is, I gotta die from something.
Your guilt trip just pisses me off and makes me want to smoke more out of defiance.
Keep it to yourself, I don't want to hear any anti-smoking lectures.
Everywhere I go I get sh*t from people about my smoking, I'm tired of hearing it.


Oppositional defiance failure. You'd kill yourself rather than listen to reason. Sadness.


To be completely honest, I can't find a reason to extend a life that I don't really enjoy.
My smoking really is a slow suicide. Sounds f'd up, but that is my sad outlook on life.
All I really have to look forward to is a lonely life in a body that will continuously be more and more uncomfortable to exist in. Yeah, quitting smoking could add years to my life, but it's the crappy one's at the end that get added to my life.
I don't have a wife or kids to keep me motivated also, I doubt I will ever be financially well off enough to ever retire.
I'm not looking forward to old age at all, it's gonna suck. Even if I quit smoking today, old age will still suck.
Then there is the whole state of the world, which is only gonna get much worse by the 2030's & 2040's. I don't want to be around for the chaos that is awaiting humanity in the coming decades.

I also live an alone life and I have zero emotional support for the process of quitting such a strong addiction.

If people really want to help smokers quit, don't guilt trip 'em, help them find a reason to live.
Frequently, especially in cases like me who smoke very heavy (3 packs a day), you are dealing with a semi-suicidal person.

....

And in response to the OP:
I used to roll my own smokes, but I stopped after the taxes we're raised such that it is no longer cost effective to roll my own.


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21 Dec 2011, 7:27 pm

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To be completely honest, I can't find a reason to extend a life that I don't really enjoy.


You only have one life to live.



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21 Dec 2011, 8:05 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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To be completely honest, I can't find a reason to extend a life that I don't really enjoy.


You only have one life to live.


I really don't know what that saying means.
Are you somehow implying that one can just decide to be happy?
It's not that easy.
Maybe for you, but not for me.


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21 Dec 2011, 8:16 pm

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To be completely honest, I can't find a reason to extend a life that I don't really enjoy.


You only have one life to live.


I really don't know what that saying means.
Are you somehow implying that one can just decide to be happy?
It's not that easy.
Maybe for you, but not for me.


No, I'm not saying that you can just decide to do this or that. The only choices we have are how we respond to situations by our immediate actions and attitudes, but we can't really change how everything goes.

The point of you only having one life to live is that you have no opportunities apart from this life in which to be happy. You want to seek death because you forecast Malthusian doom and gloom, that's up to you, but I'm going to live for as many years as God will allow me to live and try not to sabotage my lifespan with the choices I can make.

I'm sorry you don't have a wife and that you don't have an enjoyable life at the moment, but cutting down your years is not going to improve your chances of seeing better days. You want sympathy from me when you dismissed the loss of my parents haphazardly, sorry I have a problem with that, but I'll provide you with reason regardless of your desire for unilateral concern.



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21 Dec 2011, 8:55 pm

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If people really want to help smokers quit, don't guilt trip 'em, help them find a reason to live.


Best advice on giving advice to smokers I've ever seen. Well said.


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21 Dec 2011, 9:39 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
pete1061 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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To be completely honest, I can't find a reason to extend a life that I don't really enjoy.


You only have one life to live.


I really don't know what that saying means.
Are you somehow implying that one can just decide to be happy?
It's not that easy.
Maybe for you, but not for me.


No, I'm not saying that you can just decide to do this or that. The only choices we have are how we respond to situations by our immediate actions and attitudes, but we can't really change how everything goes.

The point of you only having one life to live is that you have no opportunities apart from this life in which to be happy. You want to seek death because you forecast Malthusian doom and gloom, that's up to you, but I'm going to live for as many years as God will allow me to live and try not to sabotage my lifespan with the choices I can make.

I'm sorry you don't have a wife and that you don't have an enjoyable life at the moment, but cutting down your years is not going to improve your chances of seeing better days. You want sympathy from me when you dismissed the loss of my parents haphazardly, sorry I have a problem with that, but I'll provide you with reason regardless of your desire for unilateral concern.


You hijacked a thread about smokers rolling their own cigarettes with a guilt trip shaming us about our addiction.
I don't want your sympathy, I'm just illustrating the reasons I smoke.
I just see you as yet another annoying anti-smoker with yet another heart wrenching sob story about how bad cigarettes are.
I'm tired of the crap from people like you. If I could, I'd blow smoke in your face.


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21 Dec 2011, 10:20 pm

Seems like nobody on WP can ask a question any more without someone riding in on a high horse to derail it.

To answer the OP's question, I tried rolling for a bit, but sucked at it and lacked the patience to get better. I don't care for cigarettes; I'm a pipe and cigar guy when I do smoke. But I thought it would be fun to try rolling some after I watched "True Grit."



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21 Dec 2011, 11:33 pm

I've never rolled my own, but sometimes I do like to smoke those Camel shorts, the non filter ones. I used to smoke Marlboro red, but they cost too much now so I've been stuck with Fortuna 100's or L&M 100s.

I'm quitting for New Years, because it costs so much and I also feel better when I quit. I'm nowhere near as out of breath.

The first week will be the hardest. My husband and older daughter don't plan on quitting though. I jokingly say that I'll end up on a water tower with a sniper rifle lol!

I bet I gain at least 20 lbs.


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22 Dec 2011, 7:24 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Not sure if serious or sarcastic satire.


It's serious within the context of the movie and from me. Both my mother and father died due to smoking. My dad from lung cancer and my mom by congestive heart failure due to emphysema.


i come from 5 generations of smokers, all heavy. my great grandfather is still alive at 102 and smokes 2 packs a day still.

in fact the youngest death in the family for 200 years was a cousin who was in a car crash.
im sorry that your family died.

but some people actually can smoke without negative side affects. smoking doesn't kill. not as much as they claim.

smoking doubles your chance of cancer?

so instead of a 3% chance of getting lung cancer i have a 6% chance. i like them odds. they're on my side

statistics. the last thing you wanna listen too.

oh and i roll. if i get tailored i cut the filters off. hate them.



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22 Dec 2011, 8:56 am

Back on to the original topic.
As I said, I used to roll my own before the taxes went up significantly. It WAS a major savings, not anymore.
I smoked Bugler. I used the type of rolling machine with the two rollers & a plastic sleeve. T worked pretty well. I even had filters I could put in there. I could never do it by hand though.


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27 Dec 2011, 12:56 am

If you really want to roll your own on a budget, try rolling with pipe tobacco. There are certain types of pipe tobaccos that roll good. I, personally, use Royale. I've also tried 4 Aces and Largo and found those to be quite good as well. To the anti smoking poster, we all know smoking is bad. You should be grateful to those of us that do roll our own though. Far less toxic and much cheaper than a regular pack of smokes.



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27 Dec 2011, 4:38 am

I've always wanted to try my hand at cigar rolling, but it's pretty tough to find properly cured long leaf tobacco to do it with. I do like making my own hookahs and have a pipe in progress, but otherwise don't have many opportunities to roll my own with my personal smoking habits.


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27 Dec 2011, 6:04 am

I've rolled my own cigs for years. I buy pipe tobacco and cigarette tubes. I used to use injector machines, but got tired of them breaking so easily. Now I use my fingers to put the loose tobacco into the tubes, and tamp it down with a pencil and by tapping. It took practice, but once I got the hang of doing it that way, I've never looked back.


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