How difficult do you think these languages are? Rank them

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31 Jan 2012, 4:53 pm

CWulf wrote:
Rank them from hardest to easiestEnglish
Spanish
Chinese
Russian
Arabic
Portuguese
French
Japanese
German
Italian


Depends. From my limited perspective Japanese has silly cases, Chinese has the inflections, Arabic has a vr stpd wrtng sstm ndd and Portuguese is Just Subtly Wrong compared to other Romance languages.


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31 Jan 2012, 5:55 pm

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I know a little Japanese and Spanish, and they came pretty easily to me. I always imagine that English would be a difficult language for non-native speakers to learn, because there are so many spelling and grammar rules that don't make a lot of sense - for example, the word "read" is spelled the same but pronounced differently if you're using it in the past or present tense, and the "gh" is pronounced differently in the words "dough" and "laugh".


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31 Jan 2012, 10:59 pm

I only know english...

I have a little bit of Japanese understanding, and I would say while pronunciation is easier that reading would be super difficult...

I know about 1/8th as much french... or at least can pick it apart at a super-beginner-mega-entry level... french (as an english speaker) seems easier to read but is much harder to pronounce!

after that would be Spanish for me which I figure would be easier on both fronts than the other two but I dont learn it because its not as fun... strangely enough while it would have the most functional use for me... I would rather learn japanese so that I can enjoy my anime ♥


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01 Feb 2012, 9:24 am

readingbetweenlines wrote:
CWulf, that's impressive.

he trouble with German is not restricted to gender, in fact that's pretty universal to many European languages. And yes, there is the neutral case, plus the gender that you know from Spanish may be reversed, the moon is masculine and the sun feminine in German.

There are the cases (don't know if you have them in Spanish but I rather suspect not), ie nominative, genitive, accusative, dative, for expressing relationships between subject and object.

English has residual traces of dative (to whom did you speak?) and of course the genitive s.

And, as mentioned elsewhere, because of the cases which show as suffixes on nouns and pronouns, word order is highly flexible and for some reason the most important verb is often right at the end of a very long sentence.

Finally, the tendency to combine nouns into long, undivided compound nouns!!

What do you reckon?


I don't think the genders will be much of a problem. Actually some words which are masculine in Catalan are femenine in Spanish, for example. But it doesn't seem weird to me. It also happens in French, so I guess getting used to them is the only way to articulate them fruitfully.

We don't have any cases in Spanish. Prepositions play that role. And it's the same in Catalan. But I also studied Latin and Ancient Greek, which have all of those cases, so I'm familiar with them. At first it was a little tricky, but after using them for some weeks it became something natural for me. The structure of both of those languages is similar to German, I guess. And those endless words can be broken down, can't they?

However, I suppose the lexicon will take me long to learn. I hope knowing English helps with that. Constructing sentences will be difficult, at least at first. I'm really looking forward to starting!



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01 Feb 2012, 9:30 am

I've taken courses in German and Spanish.
Have also been exposed to a bit of Russian (thanks, Rosetta Stone!).

I'd say they are all fairly comparable.
Once you understand the mechanics it is generally a factor of vocabulary.

Cyrillic seems a bit more difficult personally if you are attempting to spell things out in Russian and are unfamiliar with the keyboard layout.

I believe the military breaks them down into levels, and will place you into different languages based on difficulty with the DLAB test score.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_La ... de_Battery


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01 Feb 2012, 9:45 am

Beers, I know it's a matter of talent, dedication and passion, but how long do you think it takes to be able to hold a conversation in German?



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01 Feb 2012, 9:50 am

Ich weiss nicht.

Depends on the conversation and what you are trying to accomplish. Obvisouly a PhD level lecture will be much more involved than discussing cheese bread or hefeweizen.

Since you already have experience with multiple languages including ones with an emphasis on gender, you should be able to achieve a base level competency much more quickly.


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01 Feb 2012, 12:42 pm

beers wrote:
Ich weiss nicht.

Depends on the conversation and what you are trying to accomplish. Obvisouly a PhD level lecture will be much more involved than discussing cheese bread or hefeweizen.

Since you already have experience with multiple languages including ones with an emphasis on gender, you should be able to achieve a base level competency much more quickly.


Obviously I don't expect that much to happen soon. I just hope I can put theory into practice from the very beginning.

Hope you guys keep on ranking the list of languages. I'm very interested in kwnowing what you think.