This feels like the wrong planet in SO many ways!

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Ok, I'm back,

If I sound too black and white on my fact based opinions, I don't mean to provoke anyone, I just want to be clear and not sugar coat anything or leave an opening for some illogical rational.

Breastfeeding also produces a better relationship between mother and child and breastfed children don't have as many tantrums or public outbursts, so it's just better for a peaceful society that we allow it. Prevent women from breastfeeding and you will probably have to deal with more bad behavior from children. Due to the unique bonding chemistry of breast feeding, most breastfed infants will turn up their nose at the idea of formula and refuse. Giving a hungry kid a bottle isn't as easy as it sounds. I've been on the other side of this issue before where I thought breastfeeding wasn't something that should be done in public and my reasons for being on that side of it were that I was uninformed (I thought formula was superior to breast milk and didn't know of all of the advantages or that the natural processes really mattered), and had mistakenly thought that it was an issue of public nudity (kinda silly to outlaw boobs, they aren't genitals after all, they are there to feed babies, we just have just overly sexualized the breast due to media standards. We can't show explicit vaginal nudity in most movies, so the breast becomes the replacement. Personally, I don't think we should treat a woman's breasts any differently than a man's. We're creating our own problems on this issue and they ae out of control.

Vaccinations? They shouldn't be mandatory, if you are worried about your kid getting sick, get them vaccinated, otherwise only those choosing not to vaccinate will get sick. Personally, I review the vaccines individually for myself and will do the same for my kids when I have them.

MGM=FGM, there is no difference and choosing to circumcise will impair sexual function. The majority of a man's genital nerve cells occur on their foreskin. Circumcision impairs a man's ability to contribute chemically to the sexual relationship and experience the pleasures of sex to the fullest. Chemicals produced in nerve cells have a direct affect on mood and even the output of ejaculation. In the scope of evolution, it is better for us to retain our foreskin for the health and quality of our semen. Circumcision has the potential to impair the health of future generations. It is a very serious issue. Our bodies evolved to function as a whole, we can't interfere with that and expect them to function at their best. Just because we cut it off and the baby survives doesn't mean their quality of life isn't injured.

No hitting, no point in it... Expose ppl to violence and there will be more of it. Verbal and physicals abuse have never solved anything and are in fact provocative tactics, attack someone, and they will fight back or develop a mentality of abuse. We shouldn't accept it at any age or for any person. Reasoning with kids instead builds character, intelligence, and behavioral foresight. We should be very careful what society we create by passionate means.

Public is public, if you don't own it, you don't make the rules. If you do own it, you have a responsibility for safety/health issues, so you can say no smoking, but nothing about MP3 players or breastfeeding. I would argue that impeding breastfeeding is detrimental to filial health and therefor it should not be an option for a company to impede it.

With regards to vaccines: If they are as effective as people claim they are, why worry about unvaccinated kids? Shouldn't a vaccinated child's vaccines prevent them from catching a vaccine-available disease from an unvaccinated child? What about adults who don't get all their boosters? Should they be allowed in public? Are you up-to-date on YOUR vaccines?

And on breastfeeding: Not all babies will even take a bottle. My son never did. He didn't take a pacifier, either. Artificial nipples didn't cut it for him, he wanted the real thing! Also, breastfeeding in public normalizes breastfeeding, which encourages more mothers to breastfeed, which is the biologically normal way to feed a child. Formula increases the risk of many health issues, and there are even issues created by bottle-feeding breastmilk to a child, such as decreased bonding and hindered jaw development. Encouraging and normalizing breastfeeding promotes better health, for both the mother and child, as well as society as a whole. In addition, formula-feeding has a negative environmental impact, creating more waste. Formula, pumps, bottles, breastmilk storage bags, etc. are all more expensive than getting milk straight from the tap! Formula feeding also, as I stated earlier, increases the risk of several childhood and adult diseases, creating more strain on the healthcare system, and costing taxpayers money.

One bottle feeding a day, not even everyday, only in public, is not going to cause all that. Public places ARE owned by everyone, that is why MP3 players and cellphones and portable radios have headphones, and why, besides the health risks, there are 'no smoking' areas.if we all saw each others' feelings as equally important to our own, we wouldn't need 'No Smoking' or 'No Skateboarding' or 'No Dogs' or 'No Drinking' signs in public.
Seems like common courtesy to me.
The kids who do 'get sick' can get sick with some things that they may not survive. Since I am offered free vaccinations where I work, I take advantage of every one I can get...I've seen infections and amputations, and I handle surgical instruments, and my job includes handling procedure trays and instruments from E.R. ( actually, they like to call it E.D. now) and LDRP and WC/OR, and I sterilize O.R. Trays for the morning cases. Keeping up with sterilization procedures requires us to be aware of some very bad bugs out there. The public is FINALLY being made aware of MRSA. Wow. We were being taught about it 22 years ago. Wouldn't it have been nice if all of you were, too?
Rambling, again, I know! My focus is to prevent sickness, infection, or contamination rather that treat any of them, or see anyone risk getting any of them. Though I disagree with your conclusions, I do not know your life or experiences, only my own, and I do respect your right to believe as you do.

Sylkat

And when you talk about taking others' feelings into account, does this include the feelings of the breastfeeding mom and baby? I was out and about with my son A LOT. If I only gave him bottles in public, it would be a lot more than one a day. Where I went, he came with me. The first time he was away from me for more than a few hours, he was 18 months old (and yes, still breastfeeding). I nursed him wherever we happened to be, and no one complained about it, but it does happen to some nursing mothers. The more mothers nurse in public, the more normal it will seem, the less people will be offended by it. In most developed countries, nursing in public is a non-issue. Baby gets hungry, baby gets fed, baby isn't crying, everybody's happy! No need to be offended, it's a baby eating, that is all.

Dear Onewithwings, If no one ever complained or was ever bothered, then there were no problems for you doing the breast feeding? At this time there are usually places for mothers, private and quiet, I would think that would be preferable to noisy public areas. Another point, I depend onpublic transportation, 4 buses a day, and there are babies everywhere, I cringe when I see them next to someone hacking and sneezing, someone dirty, yes, I may be referring to homeless people, but they get to ride the bus too, if they can come up with the fare. There are various shelters, but you have to GET there to get a bed for the night. Anyhow, I wish they could be home, not exposed to crowded buses, bus stops, and stores. Last week a 7-year-old girl was in a Walmart, something happened, long story, but she was there with her mother, she was home sick from school, she had strep throat. So she's standing in line, she's all over the store, how many people have been exposed? How many people have compromised immune systems? Most people who take their babies with them have no alternative, I understand. Even the most caring parent in the world cannot control any environment but their own home.

Regarding 'curing' Aspergers and Autism, do you think that some of this campaign is due to the prevailing image of Autism as 'Rainman' or Chrischan?

Sylkat

long story short. there are too many humans.



breast is food for the baby while the baby nurses
male hierarchy - including females who have been brainwashed: ethos says: do everything they DEEM fits for their hormonal hierarchy of hackamores.

Not debating breast feeding. Debating personal space and courtesy. Debating the choice of PUBLIC breastfeeding when an alternative exists. Two posts have referred to 'normalizing' public breast feeding and making it acceptable. Indicating an awareness that it is not widely acceptable. Onewithwings never had a problem in her personal experience, so the whole discussion is theoretical. In addition, babies in crowds are exposed to any and every illness and infection carried by everyone, especially respiratory infections. Onewithwings was fortunate, again.On the news where I live, a man was removed from a bus by the police and taken to jail. He contacted the media, who got permission to interview him. He stated that this was done because he was cross-dressing. It wasn't. He was seen on the bus by someone who knew him, who called the police. He had T. B. And of course, knew it. There is no way to know who got sick because of him.

Back to vaccines,I asked for the Hep-C, though I no longer do patient care,and was delighted to be offered the whooping cough vaccine! My personal belief is that this is the best way to protect myself. Again, MY belief.

Sylkat

Dear Onewithwings, I was specifying what I saw as indications of possible health hazards, and people who are obviously ill, and those who are very dirty qualify. However I did not want to sound condemning of those who have no way to clean themselves and who cannot get medical care until they are so sick that a hospital will admit them. The local homeless also
use buses as a warm, dry, safe place to spend the day. Can't blame them.

My comments about my own vaccinations were an example of how much I personally trust them and why. Not sure of your views on adult vaccines, or if there are certain ones you have concerns about.

Sylkat

Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately, I know all too well how the homelessness thing works out. Even at the shelters it can be hard to get a shower when 30 people share a bathroom and you're allotted 2 hours a day for "hygiene".

Maybe the world is unpleasant, because it would be harder for us to accept leaving it when we die if it was a pure paradise.

Dear Wolfheart , you are so very correct. Don't you agree that many times 'protecting' someone, especially a child, by lying to them, is the worst thing to do? Specifically, 'Grandpa's asleep' or 'Daddy went away for awhile' type things.

Sylkat

JNathanK & Wolfheart, I never expected hearts and roses and rainbows and fairy tales. I just wish that some of the sick, twisted, sad truths about our world today were not so. I don't expect perfection by any means, but any time you watch the news you see it. All the sick, saddistic BS that takes place over the world. And you can bet that, at any given moment, something even worse is happening off-camera.

Sylkat, I agree with you completely on this one-- I strongly disagree with lying to children as a means to 'protect' them. I don't lie to my child because I respect him (and yes, a 3 1/2 year old is worthy of respect, as is every human being, until they prove themselves unworthy.) and because I don't see how it is useful.