Is there anything more painful than popping out a kid?

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10 May 2012, 11:33 pm

Yes there is an experience more painful than childbirth, and I don't need to be female to state that as fact.

You could give birth while passing a kidney stone with a jellyfish laying on your face.

It is a fact of science that on average women perceive pain at lower levels of stimulus than men, and women have a lower tolerance for pain than men. The reason some women like to go on about the incomparable pain of childbirth is because they are so sensitive to the sensation of pain. Of course you can tell the scientific community to shove it and continue to crow from your soapbox about how tough you are, but please engage the brain for long enough to realise that stating that there is no experience possibly more painful than childbirth is completely ridiculous.

Consider whether it would be enough to simply say that childbirth can be a very painful and unpleasant experience. No...it has to be -the- most painful experience on the planet. As the intensity of pain increases, the human body becomes less able to voluntarily function, and eventually unconsciousness results when the pain reaches that individuals absolute maximum threshold. Approximately 140 million births take place every year successfully. The majority of those take place without the use of drugs and in conditions which would result in the death of the child and the mother if unconsciousness resulted. Estimated deaths during childbirth each year worldwide is estimated at approximately 365 thousand, or .26 percent. Those that are due to a mother passing out from the pain experienced and medical assistance not being adequate is unknown, but for this purpose we may assume all of them. How long could you withstand having your toes burnt off with a blowtorch? How many toes could be removed before you would pass out?

I can't believe I'm even attempting to make clear how ridiculous this claim is. In fact, carry on...you whiners are all superheroes in my book.


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10 May 2012, 11:45 pm

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
It is a fact of science that on average women perceive pain at lower levels of stimulus than men, and women have a lower tolerance for pain than men.

Not that they're the end all be all of truth, but Mythbusters disagrees with you on that one.
Some studies do agree with you. You didn't have to get all weird and aggressive about your opinion though.

The thing is the only people really qualified to talk about the level of pain (which is all about how it's experienced, there's no objective measure) relative to other things are people who have given birth, and done other things that also hurt them.

It's certainly likely to be the most painful event in a woman's life. It's likely to be more painful than anything many men have ever experienced.


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10 May 2012, 11:47 pm

Guybrush, I'm with you that there are very likely things that hurt more. However, with every type of pain that might be worse, only a relatively small percentage of people will experience it. But almost half of the world's population has or will give birth. Which, I think, does make it a useful yardstick to measure other types of pain against.

In other words; while I doubt it is the most pain any person has ever felt, it is the most painful thing a woman can expect to endure.


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10 May 2012, 11:50 pm

Burst appendix. :eew:


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10 May 2012, 11:57 pm

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
It's certainly likely to be the most painful event in a woman's life. It's likely to be more painful than anything many men have ever experienced.


Emphasis on the word many.

You've not done this, so don't take this bit as being directed at you. But, just as it might bother a woman to have the pain of childbirth treated dismissively, it also bothers others to have their pain dismissed by referring to childbirth (especially when the level of pain actually is comparable, or sometimes even greater).


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11 May 2012, 12:04 am

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Anecdotal evidence is not fact. :roll:
You have no personal experience that can address either question the OP asked.


Fact is a fact even if there's no supporting evidence. I gave you an opinion of a lady who had both, as you replied firstly with whether I went through with it (anecdotal); so, that's obviously not enough. I'll look through some texts to see what the official answer is (most I've read put the box jellyfish as the #1 experience). I'll get back to you.

Anyway, looking at some pain scales; does the pain of pregnancy cause a person to lose consciousness not due to blood loss (nothing but the pain doing such)? That's generally considered the most severe level of pain on the usual 1 to 10 list. Having your hand instantly crushed, all of the bones, is given as an example of level 10 (passing out from the pain).



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11 May 2012, 12:18 am

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Fact is a fact even if there's no supporting evidence. I gave you an opinion of a lady who had both, as you replied firstly with whether I went through with it (anecdotal); so, that's obviously not enough. I'll look through some texts to see what the official answer is (most I've read put the box jellyfish as the #1 experience). I'll get back to you.

Anyway, looking at some pain scales; does the pain of pregnancy cause a person to lose consciousness not due to blood loss (nothing but the pain doing such)? That's generally considered the most severe level of pain on the usual 1 to 10 list. Having your hand instantly crushed, all of the bones, is given as an example of level 10 (passing out from the pain).


Maybe, but you can't prove to someone it is a fact unless you have some.
Along with pain there is also a host of hormones going on to get women though the pain still able to 'perform'. So in this case I don't think passing out is a good metric. That said, I'm not interested in metrics. I'm not looking for a "right answer". I'm interested in perspectives. Sometimes things are about opinions and feelings, and sometimes the relevant opinions and feelings aren't yours. Usually in those cases the preferred course of action is to sit and listen, maybe ask questions, you've chosen a different path.


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11 May 2012, 12:47 am

So, now anecdotal evidence is fine?

There's one I gave you previously. That's pretty good, though as you say, it's only one.

So then, any females here been pregnant and experienced greater pain than such? I asked the only female around my place, and my mother said that it was equal to an incision from a surgery, albeit the incision pain was only there in certain positions like sitting up (but if the incision pain was there all the time like labor it'd be worst).



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11 May 2012, 12:49 am

mds_02 wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
I've heard people compare kidney stones to childbirth but I have to laugh at that. It hurts. Bad. Very bad.


Have you had kidney stones?

Yes. Twice.

My sister has (and has children as well, otherwise I wouldn't put much stock in her opinion) and is one of those who compares it to childbirth. I've had them as well, and the pain has ranged from just pretty bad up to the point where I literally can't imagine worse pain.

As for the original question, I read somewhere that women tend to forget the pain of childbirth. That is, they remember that it hurt very badly, but can't recall exactly what it felt like with the same clarity with which they recall other types of pain. Something about how that inability to remember the specifics of the pain was useful in an evolutionary sense.

Oh, I didn't forget it. I remember it exactly, but the baby is worth it. Near the end of pregnancy I would always dread the labor because I knew what it was going to be like. If I had had insurance I wouldn't have minded so much and would have gone to the hospital to have the baby and gotten an epidural, but with only Medicaid for pregnancy and only having access to a clinic which was staffed with residents, I felt I was much better off with an experienced midwife, especially since my pregnancies were low risk.

Might be complete bs. I have no idea and, being male, never will. But, if it were true, it would make sense of why so many are willing to go through it again.


It's really because the baby is worth all the pain. Plus, it really doesn't last all that long.


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11 May 2012, 12:51 am

DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
DogsWithoutHorses wrote:
Are you a trans* man who has given birth before transitioning or are you just gleefully expounding from a place of ignorance?


No, I'm expounding facts.

Envenomation from a box jellyfish is probably the most painful experience one can go through.

Here's a quote from a woman who's been through both:

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"It's like when you're in labor, having a baby, and you've reached the peak of a contraction—that absolute peak—and you feel like you just can't do it anymore. That's the minimum that [Irukandji] pain is at, and it just builds from there."


Thanks for answering my question, ignorance it is.
Anecdotal evidence is not fact. :roll:

They gave you scopolomine, which didn't really do anything for the pain, it just made you forget it. Most women were out of control during labor and the drug made them completely forget the entire experience.
You have no personal experience that can address either question the OP asked.
In any case, as lostgirl said pain is relative and is an individual experience.



Didn't they used to twilight you or something in the 50's? Probably awful, but that sounds nice.
I wish there really was a stork.


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11 May 2012, 12:57 am

Another thing that makes it so unique is that it's a completely different type of pain than anything else you will ever feel. Something huge (it feels huge anyway) is coming out of you and that feels very different than other types of pain. You feel helpless. You also have to do things to increase the pain yourself so that it can be over with because you have to push. Knowing that when you push it's going to hurt worse and pushing anyway is pretty difficult to do.

Different women experience birth differently. I know some women who think that the contractions are the worst part, others who say that pushing is the worst part. I've even met some who didn't think it was really all that painful at all. For me it was the pushing. I could do contractions all day but when I could feel the baby moving down, thats when it got bad.


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11 May 2012, 1:26 am

I am genuinely surprised nobody mentioned toothaches. I was googling for remedies once and landed on a whole thread of women saying childbirth wasn't as painful



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11 May 2012, 2:18 am

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Yes there is an experience more painful than childbirth, and I don't need to be female to state that as fact.

You could give birth while passing a kidney stone with a jellyfish laying on your face.


:lmao:

I knew someone would come out with that one eventually.

In all seriousness, I have been stung by a box jellyfish and it is difficult to imagine anything more painful than that. It's certainly not an experience I would recommend to anyone.


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11 May 2012, 2:38 am

Ha, I missed what mister Threepwood wrote there. That's funny.

Add in a crushed hand too, with the jellyfish and baby. Odd imagery though.



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11 May 2012, 3:11 am

I apologise if my post was weird and aggressive. I started my response with quite a light heart, but by the end all I could think about was the multitude of times I have witnessed or read/heard of groups and individuals retelling the ordeals and hardships they have endured and almost in the same breath demanded special treatment because of it. And I'm not sure if others have had the same experience, but the number of times I have heard women describing their personal journey to hell and back in order to give birth is beyond a joke, and in the same breath they usually add that men wouldn't have any idea of what that level of pain felt like. It makes me mad because I suspect it is a theme with a common motive. If you wish to belittle others and make them feel guilty for the pain you have endured, then why not harp on about it to your children and the men that you made them with? I read about the freedom of choice to not put yourself into a situation where pain will be experienced, ie sticking your head in a furnace or skateboarding while being towed by a vehicle, which would imply that women have no choice in becoming pregnant. Every argument for the statement is ridiculous. Acting as if somebody is detracting from a pain that they themselves could not know due to gender when they are trying to point out that of course that isn't the worst pain in existence is ridiculous. Attempting to be a martyr because you gave birth is ridiculous.

Don't read it as an aggressive post. Instead of allocating Samuel L Jackson to voice my text, try allocating Morgan Freeman. I'm not yelling angrily, I'm talking rationally. Please give mankind a break.


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11 May 2012, 3:14 am

"Is there anything more painful than popping out a kid?"

Putting one back in maybe?