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27 Dec 2006, 10:59 pm

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I believe in constructive discord, but I will join the peace movement anyway!


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27 Dec 2006, 10:59 pm

I agree with TM1, but the idealist in me wants to join the peace movement.

Actually, I don't believe the two sides are at odds. For me, peace=people no longer kill each other senselessly and treat each other with something resembling respect. This does not necessarily preclude fierce economic, athletic, or intellectual competition.


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27 Dec 2006, 11:04 pm

We all want the same thing in a very general sense, peace. Some of us really aren't certain whether it is possible to achieve it, although I think all of us would love it to happen. We disagree a lot on how to achieve it.

STEP 1: Sign Petition for Peace
STEP 2: ???
STEP 3: World Peace

Well, it worked for the underpants gnomes.

I hope this works too.



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27 Dec 2006, 11:45 pm

jimservo wrote:
We all want the same thing in a very general sense, peace. Some of us really aren't certain whether it is possible to achieve it, although I think all of us would love it to happen. We disagree a lot on how to achieve it.

STEP 1: Sign Petition for Peace
STEP 2: ???
STEP 3: World Peace

Well, it worked for the underpants gnomes.

I hope this works too.


I have a feeling that it will, Man.



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27 Dec 2006, 11:58 pm

My philosophy is that anybody can be a Pacifist, wether the person is a Long-haired Hippie, or a cheeky little Cockney.



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28 Dec 2006, 2:16 am

Pacifism is great, ya just gotta know how to live it. I'm something of a pacifist myself, though that's only until it becomes convenient not to be.

Something to remember when being a pacifist is that you've got to be nice to people. You need to put petty differences aside, because calling someone on their potential "flaws" is going to get you killed, since you aren't supposed to fight back. I've found that having an imposing figure and doing good deeds for others is a great way to stay on the right side.

But we're drifting from the point here! This was supposed to be about world peace. Frankly, I agree with both sides. World Peace is a grand ideal and certainly worth fighting for, but it is also seemingly impossible. As was stated, history has taught us that war cannot be stopped, and even if it could, stopping it would stop evolution (or at least slow it down a lot). However, preventing war whenever possible is not beyond reason, as long as you acknowledge the fact that not all wars can be stopped.

Basically, do what you can when you can, but don't get too bent outta shape if you can't. There's always next time.



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28 Dec 2006, 9:42 am

Interviewer: And Ms. Universe, what do you want?
Ms. Universe: World Peace.


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28 Dec 2006, 10:22 am

Make Love, Not War. :ninja:

I use the Ninja as a Hippie emoticon, because that's the closest thing that I can find.



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30 Dec 2006, 2:31 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
Make Love, Not War. :ninja:

I use the Ninja as a Hippie emoticon, because that's the closest thing that I can find.


Aren't you worried that the ninja will flip out and kill people? He doesn't look very peaceful...



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30 Dec 2006, 2:43 pm

With Saddam Hussein dead, the cause of world peace will be greatly advanced. Every group fighting in Iraq is sure to give up now that Saddam has been executed. :P


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30 Dec 2006, 3:06 pm

World peace is impossible at the current stage of society's evolution.

There are still plenty of people filled with hate, people who disagree with each other greatly, people who are so desperate as to kill for food, people so greedy and meglomaniacal to declare war over Oil, and nations which hate and distrust each other. People so closed minded, ignorant, arrogant, greedy, or desperate as to not listen or understand. Whilst disagreement, suffering, and hatred exists, world peace is impossible.

War is a neccessary evil.


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30 Dec 2006, 6:19 pm

I don't think war is necessarily evil at all, although I understand what you mean Anubis. I think whether war is a positive or negative depends on circumstances. War the word is not like tyranny the word. Although the idea of going to war is hardly my or most people's ideal preference, obviously, and whether or not any one war has a purpose is subjective. Actually, reminded me of a poll idea for a different sub-forum.

Now, others, proceed to lob darts at me for being more Ulysses S. Grant then Mahatma Ghandi. :lol:



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30 Dec 2006, 9:47 pm

That's an occasion to celebrate, in Hippie Land and beyond.



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31 Dec 2006, 3:58 am

Good for you Cockney.

Peace of this scale will take years and major planet-wide disaster.



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31 Dec 2006, 4:12 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
We must raise the bar, for the rest of the world.


Its called the high jump. That makes us the track crew. The atheletes get all the fame and fortune. Best case scenario is that we raise it high enough for someone not to be able to clear it. :P

Not a bad idea, but all it takes is one person to mess up such a plan. That, and it would also require tactics such as baninating mere suspected trolls on the spot, lest they spread suffering and flames. To force it upon people would also make it less possible, as it should be the chosen way of behavior, otherwise its authoritarian rule, and dissent would occur. The issue isn't acting in a certain way, it is convincing others that that is the best way to act, specifically that it is most beneficial to act in a civil, helpful, kind manner, and to be accepting, understanding, and forgiving of others, without even expecting the same from them. I'm not saying I'd dislike living in such a world, I simply don't know if it will ever happen.



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01 Jan 2007, 5:45 pm

werbert wrote:
With Saddam Hussein dead, the cause of world peace will be greatly advanced. Every group fighting in Iraq is sure to give up now that Saddam has been executed. :P


Why? Not all, nor even necessarily most insurgents and militias fighting in Iraq are supporters of Saddam Hussein - the Shi'ite Mehdi/Mahdi Army led by Muqtada al Sadr, for example, certainly would not be given Saddam's persecution of the Shi'ites. Of the Sunni insergents, various foreign fighters affiliated with al Qaeda are also unlikely to stop.

Even with regard to Baathists, (whose role I am not sure is that significant in the current insurgency) there would not necessarily be an end to their activities (despite an amnesty for those Ba'athists "who do not have innocent blood on their hands" being offered either by Prime Minister Nuri al Maliki or President Talebani. There might be some who would continue to fight out of ideology, others hoping to seize power themselves...