Do normals care about freedom?

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No idea.

All I know is that I'm all for freedom. Throw hand grenades on my property? Why the hell not? As long as you don't hurt someone, you should be free to do anything; the moment you do, then your freedoms are taken.

Obviously,I agree that anyone should be allowed to think anything they want. However, throwing hand grenades on my lawn (even if they are impotent) should not be allowed! That's my property! You throw yours on mine thats tresspassing!
Unfortunately, the law is not so rational. For example, if a farm that uses Monsanto's genetically altered genes, and those plants splay (pollute ) their seeds on YOUR land, you will be guilty of copyright infringement!! !!

Vote for me then! I have been currently thinking about political office! I am honest about my dishonesty! Cannot vote for anything better then that!

I think this question of "freedom" is something drummed up by certain people or organizations, to manipulate other people into believing something that in someway is going to financially benefit the person or organization trying to do the convincing. The reality is that for the average person, living a normal life, staying out of other peoples business and living a lawa abiding life, there is no question about freedom.

Unless you are very wealthy you are never going to be really free. There is nothing that the government is doing that prohibits me from going anyplace I want to go, or doing anything I want to do, or saying anything I want to say. No more so than 20 years ago.

Noone has any reason to question me or detain me, or anything else. People who believe such things are being influenced by someone else who is getting rich by convincing people to believe those things. Noone is coming to take your guns away if you are a responsible gun owner. People who try to convince you otherwise have an ulterior motive, probably financial in nature. They are manipulating you. Pushing your buttons.

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The thing about your response is that noone is coming to get anyone who is obeying the law. You can drag out all of those tired old 60's sayings and make them all cute but the thing is, those sayings are meant to feed the conspiracy theory types that always see themselves as victims. People that think a bogeyman is waiting behind every closed door. I aint one of those.

When I see our government start kicking down peoples door and dragging them away I will reconsider your concerns, and I am probably considerably older than you, but I do not allow myself to be manipulated and influenced by nutcases who see danger under every shadow. I have learned that if you mind your own business and dont stir the pot, noone, including comrade government, is going to bother me. I am nearly 60yo and quite honestly I am not the least concerned about what happens to my body, or this land mass, after I am gone.

Actually, people have been released after spending over a decade in prison,without ever having been charged with a crime.
However, even if that was not the case (it is) it is still outrageous that our right to a trial has been removed. We are supposed to be a nation of laws. When those laws go against fundamental principles such as habeus corpus (the right to a trial), they make the law a farce. For example, suppose they made a law that the government can kill any brown eyed person.It would be absurd to say it doesnt matter because the government would never do such a thing.

1. It is universally acknowledged that "indefinite detention" means that one can be held in prison for decades without ever being charged with a crime.
2. It is universally acknowledged that many have been imprisoned for over a decade without being charged with a crime.
Simply do some googling. I am not talking about conspiracy sites. I am talking about the ACLU, New York Times, Rachel Maddow, the AP etc!

It's good to see that I'm not the only one that sees this stuff happening. I guess on the bright side more people are waking up to how bad it is and is going to be in the next few years. In fact, a Libertarian radio host named Adam Kokesh is holding a peaceful armed and loaded march on Washington D.C. on July 4th. I haven't personally listened to the guy, but he seems to have a solid head about him from a couple interviews I've heard with him. Regardless of what happens hopefully more people will see the state our country is in.

Most Aspies don't either, it's not an NT thing.

I think anyone who's anyone feels they're 'normal' even the ones who aren't.
Trouble is almost everyone today has this idea of keeping up with the latest trend or they think they're not cool enough. I've never worried much about that, its what you perceive that's important, not what some hippy celeb has to say about it.
Its like when an outward person meets an inward person, one might think well, what do they have in common? its about perceiving yourself and your surroundings rather than continually being critical and non-observant to reality rather than fictional events that people think are the norm, so when someone says about someone s hair par examp, 'Good gracious me, what is that hair colour'?, or something else like a bag that's new, what they're really doing is trying to be observant or showing an expression. its common fact that most British people cant feel much so they react to every little thing that crops up. God if you cant make something of yourself or put yourself in someone else s shoes then you're not even worth speaking about.
I find that people can be quite stereotypical without even realising and then forget what their own true happiness is. it can be anything from which no one would really no about.
Pretending to like something or somebody fictional isn't going to judge you too many favours but if you are non-sceptical but critically aware of everything then motionless to say a let down on your part can be in your favour or stacked.
You cant base all information on relatively non-fact or your perception of current events is not going to have much fact in it.
People who pretend they care against all odds don't even get my respect either.
A ton of people who spread a ton of lies may as well be discussing fiction with themselves.
A PERSON who is normal tends to sum up events and re-order them in order to channel or filter through some description of the truth they don't want to hear, but may very well end up finding out and I cant stand those people who fail to see some shred of light or interpretation as much as they are blinded by it. You don't need a rock of honour to be someone's friend and you don't even need a corner to indulge in pity when you cant stand up for yourself verbally, apart from when some awkward mind shifter wants to calculate you, even then, you should just make the break for yourself. no amount of time-wasting is going to further your education it will just serve as a stop gap in a mid fuelled dilemma that your putting yourself through. and nothings worth that.
Act when you've got to act and stop acting when you cant do nothing but watch and wait for a better sign.

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Indefinite detention is real. Indefinite detention = the government's right to imprison a person ( for as long as the government desires,even decades!) without ever having to charge that person with a crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indefinite_detention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y75nDqGOgOE
Rachel Maddow is hardly a right wing conspiracy person. She is actually pro Obama!
http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/indefinite-detention-0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 33161.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/0 ... 32254.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-ame ... ion2012-11
“The detention provisions of the Act have received critical attention by, among others, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, and some media sources which are concerned about the scope of the President's authority, including contentions that those whom they claim may be held indefinitely could include U.S. citizens arrested on American soil, including arrests by members of the Armed Forces”
FROM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_D ... _Year_2012
I have never been a conspiracy person. If 20 years ago someone told me that the right to a trial would be taken away, I'd tell them "what nonsense! You really think that the bill of rights will be destroyed? Without the right to a trial all the other rights are meaningless. That's insane! It will never happen! "
It happened! And no one seems to care! The normals are too busy watching Jersey Shore!!

"The thing about your response is that noone is coming to get anyone who is obeying the law."
Khaoz
Actually there is documented history ( Martin Luther King etc) of people being harrased for exercising their rights.

" I have learned that if you mind your own business and dont stir the pot, noone, including comrade government, is going to bother me"
Khaoz
Agreed! Never say anything political,simply work silently,never complain and no one will bother you.
MoonGate climber's point is that when someones rights are violated by official policy that effects my rights. I hate being intimidated! Especially being threatened for exercising my freedom of speech,assembly etc. When anyone can be indefinitely detained for exercising their freedom of speech that threatens my freedom of speech.

I think that conservatives and liberals (ACLU, did you know that McArthur was a card carrying member of the ACLU? When he was in charge of Japan, during the McCarthy period,he insisted that the Communist party not be banned! He hated commies,but knew that if you banned their freedom of expression,freedom of speech would be meaningless) * can agree that indefinite detention is evil!
I am a liberal and a libertarian! I believe we (as a group) are responsible for our fellow man. However, I believe in individual freedom. People hate ambiguity, but reality is not black or white.
* Similarly, I hate Nazis (neo or historical) but I will defend to the death their freedom of speech!