Do You Think Aspies Would Make Better Criminals?
No, because we generally have higher moral/value systems than NT's.
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We, the people on the Autistic Spectrum have a choice.
We can either try to "fit in" with the rest of society, or we can be so egocentric that we can't be bothered.
I choose the actor. I observe NT's. I listen to their socializing. I practice it, so in social situations I can just emulate/mimic what is expected.
It isn't natural for me, but it enables me to "fit in".
It is VERY tiring and draining, but at least we can appear like them even though it is an act. Like being on the stage.
They can't see it is emulation, and so we are accepted.
We also have a higher ability to see through BS. What if the law in question isn't a question of right and wrong? Morality might require that you break a law or two.
Also, we're a very loyal group of people. What if you grew up around a group of people that are less than law abiding? Couldn't the loyalty transfer itself from laws to the good of the group that you have more to do with? You could be following the laws of the group and be ignoring the laws of the land. We're more likely to gain respect from groups that know us than the country we live in as a whole and that counts with people like us.
Don't forget that Adhd and aspergers is very closely linked, which means a lot of us have those adhd type personalities in our families, and those guys really dont care about laws.
Personally, i only know a few aspies irl but your point doesn't hold true for my experiences. At least not for obeying laws of the land. You're right in a sense though because you can be extremely moral and still break the law.
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[quote="StarCity"]No, because we generally have higher moral/value systems than NT's.[/quote]
I wouldn't say higher, I would say more rigid. For example, I've seen people here talk about feeling completely justified in destroying other's property etc because of how they felt they were treated by them or how they felt others were treated by them. I've seen people say that under no circumstances is it ever ok to lie or steal but it is ok to allow a bully to suffer serious harm or death by not calling for help, etc. Everybody has their own ideas of what's ok and what's not. I've seen some here who would literally allow themselves to starve to death rather than steal, and others who would steal in that situation or to feed a starving child, while others would allow the child to die rather than break their own rigid moral code. So, I think it's just a matter of where the person's lines are. Also, lines can change when you find yourself in a situation where you have to either break your own moral code or allow harm to come to your family.
Now, for the idea of an aspie criminal that's successful, I would have to say that the closest I've ever seen portrayed in the media is Walter White from Breaking Bad. While he's not written or played really as an aspie he is somewhat awkward, very smart, and seems to have fairly good morals and values at the beginning of the show. He also comes across like someone who others would bully, put down, victimize etc. However he cooks the best dope in the state because he's smart about cooking it but very naïve about selling it or dealing with dealers, etc. That's what he has his former student there to help him do. He comes up with good solutions and reasoning to get them out of things that regular dope cooks would never think of (although I am aware that stuff doesn't usually work like on TV) but it shows how his intelligence and way of thinking makes him a very successful criminal. He also becomes somewhat of a badass as the seasons progress, which can actually happen but I don't think he would learn the "social" type badass skills to that extent or that quickly, but then again he's not an aspie, just the closest thing to a criminal aspie that tv has to offer. -
We also have a higher ability to see through BS. What if the law in question isn't a question of right and wrong? Morality might require that you break a law or two.
Also, we're a very loyal group of people. What if you grew up around a group of people that are less than law abiding? Couldn't the loyalty transfer itself from laws to the good of the group that you have more to do with? You could be following the laws of the group and be ignoring the laws of the land. We're more likely to gain respect from groups that know us than the country we live in as a whole and that counts with people like us.
Don't forget that Adhd and aspergers is very closely linked, which means a lot of us have those adhd type personalities in our families, and those guys really dont care about laws.
Personally, i only know a few aspies irl but your point doesn't hold true for my experiences.
Hi woodster.
I should point out that a high moral/value system may make groups such as 'anonymous' attractable to people on the spectrum. Anonymous exists to try to ensure that other people uphold the law, but the way that they go about it actually breaks the law:

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We, the people on the Autistic Spectrum have a choice.
We can either try to "fit in" with the rest of society, or we can be so egocentric that we can't be bothered.
I choose the actor. I observe NT's. I listen to their socializing. I practice it, so in social situations I can just emulate/mimic what is expected.
It isn't natural for me, but it enables me to "fit in".
It is VERY tiring and draining, but at least we can appear like them even though it is an act. Like being on the stage.
They can't see it is emulation, and so we are accepted.
We also have a higher ability to see through BS. What if the law in question isn't a question of right and wrong? Morality might require that you break a law or two.
Also, we're a very loyal group of people. What if you grew up around a group of people that are less than law abiding? Couldn't the loyalty transfer itself from laws to the good of the group that you have more to do with? You could be following the laws of the group and be ignoring the laws of the land. We're more likely to gain respect from groups that know us than the country we live in as a whole and that counts with people like us.
Don't forget that Adhd and aspergers is very closely linked, which means a lot of us have those adhd type personalities in our families, and those guys really dont care about laws.
Personally, i only know a few aspies irl but your point doesn't hold true for my experiences.
Hi woodster.
I should point out that a high moral/value system may make groups such as 'anonymous' attractable to people on the spectrum. Anonymous exists to try to ensure that other people uphold the law, but the way that they go about it actually breaks the law:

yup, thats a very good point. I cheer everytime i hear those guys do something and i know for a fact that that the expertise of aspies would be highly valued in a group like that. Laws don't always equal right and wrong, I fully agree with some laws of nts but sometimes they can be far off whack.
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