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12 Aug 2015, 10:00 pm

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there is so much publicity about australia's deadly animals, but they never attack people or they are rare to the point of insignificance.

They exist and can get into your house. I prefer my own country's wildlife. No big carnivores or venomous snakes/spiders/scorpions. Just better peace of mind knowing that. Whenever I see a spider in my house I can just let it out and know that touching it won't kill me and it probably won't even bite. But in Australia you'd have to know by look if it's able to kill you or not. And if we're going to be invading the outback then I'm sure they've got their own ecosystem of deadly nopes.

lol...
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I heard Barack Obama say that 35,000 Americans are killed by shootings each year...
I think the most deadly animal on earth is the human kind...

We have the second most dangerous snake in the world (the brown snake) but it is very rare for someone to die from snake or spider bites because of the antivenin available...
BTW, we don't have scorpions in the built up areas...
Heck, I didn't know there were any scorpions at all until I Googled just now!

It is a matter of perspective...
But why am I trying to encourage you lot to crowd my space in the bestest <sic> country in the world? :mrgreen:

Something people seem to forget is that there are only around 24 million aussies...
And the proportion of tax payers to those on welfare/pensions is getting worse year by year...
Australia may have a lot of potential, but where is the money going to come from to develop that potential?
China?

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12 Aug 2015, 10:07 pm

iliketrees wrote:

Never seen a wild snake and hate hot temperatures. Ideal temperature range is 0-10 celsius for me. I assume that would rule out Australia. I can't stand temperatures over 20, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it like that all year? I'll be staying put for now.

Where I live, it never gets over 20 Celsius...
Hag on...
Let me just adjust my air conditioning...

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12 Aug 2015, 10:08 pm

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How about my idea about irrigating 1/10 of the Outback?

That'll take a lot of water... with all the melting sea ice causing the sea levels to rise, maybe we should find a way to divert it all to the Australian outback. :lol:

Desalinization pumps, with really long hoses?

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12 Aug 2015, 10:10 pm

iliketrees wrote:

Really? Even this yellow area?

Especially that yellow area.

"We're full" is a common utterance when people talk about immigrating to Oz or immigration for Oz. Lots don't want Hello Kitty Adventure Island ruined by outsiders bringing problems with them. I think the locals have already ruined it, but you know (it was much better in the early to mid 1900s).

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12 Aug 2015, 10:16 pm

b9 wrote:

., you never see those types of animals in day to day living.

Depends on where you live, my emu brother.

I can go for a walk any day in summer and see a brown snake in the bush.

You're right that they're rather aloof critters. They rarely attack unless you step on one (hard to do, really, as they take flight when they feel you walking near them), or try to kill 'em with a melee weapon (a dumb move, as you can herd them away easily enough).

I'd agree with the sensationalism.

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12 Aug 2015, 10:26 pm

I got chased by a copperhead in my front yard and found a brown snake in my kitchen after mowing the lawn - my girlfriends house had heaps of funnelwebs - lately there's been weekly shark attacks on the coast, they just pulled a 4metre tiger shark out near Byron Bay this week - even big red kangaroos will kill you if they get a chance!

Where I live it goes down to -10c in winter, we keep the fires going from Anzac day to Melbourne Cup day (April to November). But down the mountain from here it'll hit 40+c easily on a regular basis in the summer (that's Christmas time). Australia is a continent, with many variations in climate, it goes from equatorial tropics to Antarctic. And it's cold in the desert.

I wouldn't suggest that Australia is any more tolerant than anywhere else - perhaps even less so.

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12 Aug 2015, 10:41 pm

Why all the interest in invading Australia? we are just a far flung outpost of the UK (yes we kept the Union Jack and God save the Queen in our constitution)

Anyway there's no need to invade us as we are virtually American clones anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYrAQVQZKs

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12 Aug 2015, 10:45 pm

Dillogic wrote:

b9 wrote:

They rarely attack unless you step on one (hard to do, really, as they take flight when they feel you walking near them), or try to kill 'em with a melee weapon (a dumb move, as you can herd them away easily enough).

If it moves then shoot it?

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12 Aug 2015, 10:48 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Anyway there's no need to invade us as we are virtually American clones anyway.

Not fully.

We have a homogeneous society in comparison; we don't have the large ghettos with very high crime rates like in the US. Even our "crime ridden" aboriginal communities only have around 5 murders per 100,000; it's under 1 for Europeans here. In the US, their black population has a massive 17 per (that's very high).

We might get talked into the US' wars, but we aren't the only ones there.

Whilst Oz is sorta conservative overall, it's different to the US' version of such. We're closer to the UK there.

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12 Aug 2015, 10:51 pm

cyberdad wrote:

If it moves then shoot it?

No.

There's no reason to kill snakes here. Even if they find a way in your house you can easily herd them out.

The only "threatening" animals I've seen are wild dogs that form packs (ex-pets or dumped), but you can get these anywhere.

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13 Aug 2015, 1:07 am

b9 wrote:

i have not seen a funnel web (the deadly spider related to the black widow) for about 10 years. they are black and unmistakeable. they are rare to be seen to the extent that most australian people have never seen one.

Depends where you live...
Not that uncommon on the coastal fringes of NSW...
Though there hasn't been a problem for many years...

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i have also not seen a snake for more than 5 years and the last one i saw was a red bellied black snake in the country and it was eager to be on it's way.

Black bellies are cute...
They would rather run than attack...
Lovers, not fighters...
The browns, however, are much more aggressive especially during the mating season...

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whatever. it is good that we are not swamped by immigrants, but i do not care who comes here or not other than i would like not to have a population of 50 million to thread my way through.

Now that the labour party is out of government, with their inept handling of "illegal" immigration via boats, the situation is under control again, saving the Australian tax payer (a vanishing species) literally (American) billions of dollars.

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australia is a nice place to live and you probably would like it much.

No other place I'd like to be...
It ain't perfect, but by comparison it is nirvana...

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13 Aug 2015, 1:33 am

Dillogic wrote:

I think the locals have already ruined it, but you know (it was much better in the early to mid 1900s).

In many ways it was...
This was the pre-organised-drug period...
Once the drug trade is established, there goes the quality of life...

People used to leave the front doors of the house open back then...
Leave keys in the car...
But then again, Paul Keating (and others) saw us as "the arse end of the world" culturally when he and Bob Hawk were in government...

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13 Aug 2015, 2:57 am

I guess the gradual urbanization and the big cities taking over changed it to what I'm not all that fond of, kinda like most places in the world, really. They like telling you how you can live, even though they live in a separate bubble to you.

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13 Aug 2015, 11:30 am

Skurvey wrote:

I wouldn't suggest that Australia is any more tolerant than anywhere else - perhaps even less so.

Perhaps not more tolerant, but more laid back? Or less PC? Than, I don´t know... Europe or US?

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13 Aug 2015, 11:32 am

DailyPoutine1 wrote:

Thats why I live in Canada.

So do I, cheers.

I am not happy with the government at this point, we used to be America's friendly neighbor but now we are almost as bad as America.

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13 Aug 2015, 11:48 am

cyberdad wrote:

Well, it looks like you don´t need to worry about an invasion any time soon, apparantly it´s only one person interested: me :lol:

What interest me most is the Australian nature. You have so many amazing animals over there, and all that space!
It´s unique

I would love to visit, and who knows, perhaps I will some day.

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