Do you think permanent daylight savings time is a good idea?

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22 Aug 2015, 3:01 am

Doing away with time zones would be quite messy.


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22 Aug 2015, 3:19 am

Right now living in the Pacific Northwest, I would like it to stay what it is right now, without rolling the clock back an hour in the fall.

But when I lived in Southern Nevada, most nobody wanted an extra hour of hot desert sunlight.



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22 Aug 2015, 3:30 am

Spiderpig wrote:
Doing away with time zones would be quite messy.

point taken, thanx :)



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22 Aug 2015, 3:31 am

EzraS wrote:
Right now living in the Pacific Northwest, I would like it to stay what it is right now, without rolling the clock back an hour in the fall. But when I lived in Southern Nevada, most nobody wanted an extra hour of hot desert sunlight.

now I grok why AZ doesn't use it. :o



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22 Aug 2015, 3:55 am

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Why can't people just go with nature? I want the time to stay the same year round.

Me, too. I'm glad that WA people rejected the idea of daylight saving at the last referendum.

I wouldn't even mind the idea of the whole world having the same time as long as it stays the same everywhere and for the whole year.


So, you support going on Zulu time. (Used primarily by the U.S. Military. Example is 0500 hours Zulu is 5:00 AM even if the local time is 7:00 PM Australian Standard time.)



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22 Aug 2015, 4:19 am

I suggest the current GMT+8 to be used as the world standard time. That would benefit me. We can all be awake at the same time. Those that live where 7am, for example, happens to be in the middle of the night can just get up in the middle of the night and go to work in the middle of the night. They just need to get used to being awake in the middle of the night. Night owls can go and live in the Americas/Europe/Africa and others can move to Asia/Oceania.



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22 Aug 2015, 4:20 am

packing up and moving is not a practical/affordable option for many if not most.



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22 Aug 2015, 11:21 am

AceCadet wrote:
The thing is, you can mess with the time all you want, but it's not going to affect the change of seasons. It's still going to get dark when fall and winter come around, so having permanent DST makes no sense at all.


Yeah but the conversion to standard time in the winter exaggerates the seasonal change. So it makes sense to have permanent DST - since the permanence of which will make everything natural.



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22 Aug 2015, 12:21 pm

GoofyGreatDane wrote:
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The thing is, you can mess with the time all you want, but it's not going to affect the change of seasons. It's still going to get dark when fall and winter come around, so having permanent DST makes no sense at all.


Yeah but the conversion to standard time in the winter exaggerates the seasonal change. So it makes sense to have permanent DST - since the permanence of which will make everything natural.


You should not make everything natural; it should be allowed to be natural. To me, changing my clocks twice a year is unnatural. Time/clocks is just to keep people in sync so they show up at the same time.


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22 Aug 2015, 12:52 pm

justkillingtime wrote:
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The thing is, you can mess with the time all you want, but it's not going to affect the change of seasons. It's still going to get dark when fall and winter come around, so having permanent DST makes no sense at all.


Yeah but the conversion to standard time in the winter exaggerates the seasonal change. So it makes sense to have permanent DST - since the permanence of which will make everything natural.


You should not make everything natural; it should be allowed to be natural. To me, changing my clocks twice a year is unnatural. Time/clocks is just to keep people in sync so they show up at the same time.


Wouldn't have to change it twice a year if DST was permanent now would ya? Thats why it allows it to be natural. There is nothing less natural about DST than standard time- since actual noon/midday isn't at exactly 12 anyways.



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22 Aug 2015, 2:00 pm

Keep the current time zones, add or subtract 30 minutes ( split the difference ), and leave the time alone from here on in. I never could understand the psuedo- science behind DST anyway. :x


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22 Aug 2015, 2:46 pm

So, permanent DST would just be year round? I thought you meant having no hope of repealing the time change. I don't want to lose an hour and gain an hour and change the clocks.


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22 Aug 2015, 5:16 pm

if it were all high-tech and change was automatic [everything like clocks and other things with clocks in them] with no human input, it would be alright with me :)



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22 Aug 2015, 6:29 pm

justkillingtime wrote:
So, permanent DST would just be year round? I thought you meant having no hope of repealing the time change. I don't want to lose an hour and gain an hour and change the clocks.


Yeah. We are on DST right now. So my idea would be just not to "fall back" this fall (or ever). We are on DST for 2/3 of the year anyways- so I'd just make it permanent. Would never need to change the clock ever again if this was implemented today.We'd just leave it be instead of changing it back to standard time come November. Used to be that standard time was the norm (hence standard)- then came daylight savings time- and eventually it became DST for the majority of the year and "standard" time for only 4 months.

While the seasons cause the length of day to change- you have to work at the same time regardless- and having DST in the winter would allow people to do things outside after work. The current system artificially maximizes the natural difference in sunset time between summer and winter--by a full hour. Permanent DST would be more natural.



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22 Aug 2015, 6:40 pm

I am all for changing to military time. Not Zulu military time (the same hour all over the planet). But doing away with AM and PM for your local time zone. Midnight should be 24 O'clock.

Daylight savings...meh...can live with it, but could live without it.

China is a continental sized country the size of the USA, or Canada. But all of China is on the same ONE time zone! The mainland USA has four time zones.

But 99 percent of China's people live in the eastern 25 percent of the land of China. So that's how China can get away with that.



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23 Aug 2015, 12:29 am

DST sucks. I say it should just be abolished entirely. I hate how it f***s with my schedule.