Why are pictures of naked babies acceptable?

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09 Jul 2016, 3:35 pm

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I heard of pedophiles getting arrested for having nude non sexual pics of kids & babies.


1. Those aren't pedophiles if it was one of the cases I was referring to, though a mother did get into trouble at a Wal Mart for it.
2. Your description of a pedophile is dangerously broad and under your description a lot of mothers are pedophiles.

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They were people who had no relations at all to the kids & got the pix online


Well okay thats different and I withdraw that but if you can post a source I'd be quite happy, I'll google around and see what I find.



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09 Jul 2016, 3:37 pm

dcj123 wrote:
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I heard of pedophiles getting arrested for having nude non sexual pics of kids & babies.


1. Those aren't pedophiles if it was one of the cases I was referring to, though a mother did get into trouble at a Wal Mart for it.
2. Your description of a pedophile is dangerously broad and under your description a lot of mothers are pedophiles.

Source for number one
They were people who had no relations at all to the kids & got the pix online


Well okay thats different and I withdraw that but if you can post a source I'd be quite happy, I'll google around and see what I find.
I don't know of any sources. I heard of that stuff many years ago so I don't remember all the details & stuff.


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09 Jul 2016, 9:29 pm

Puritanical aversion to nudity is outdated, moralistic garbage.


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10 Jul 2016, 12:45 am

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What makes something considered child pornography or not is the intent behind the photograph. Is the intent of this image the sexual arousal of a more mature person or is it just a cute picture of a child that just happens to not have clothing on?


I'm curious as to an actual legal perspective on this, because I can assure you "intent" is 0% of the law. If it violates the law it violates the law-- intent, knowledge of the law, etc. are irrelevant.


That is the legal perspective on it. I've seen numerous cops and legal websites all talk about it just like that.



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10 Jul 2016, 1:17 am

LOL this topic is making me consider destroying/deleting pictures of me and my brother that my mom keep over the years though nothing is shown and it seems quite tasteful and I never thought anything sexual ever about these pics.

I did tell my mom when I first heard this debate that she should not continue that trend with my sister as innocent as it is maybe but I don't think she takes it seriously. My mom never took any photos beyond like a year at most and some where even professional done so I don't see a problem. I can, however, see people's point but you have to realize that when you bring this up, it hurts a lot of innocent people. I mean could pedophile get off to it, yeah but they also get off to children playing in a swing and children walking down the street. I just don't see making this a big deal hurting pedophiles in the long run and I see it hurting families and people who my have a bit of an odd tradition.

I say cops should be trained to use their better judgment and charge people accordingly with obscenity laws. I think that would be the easiest solution to both implement legally and effectively.



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10 Jul 2016, 2:19 am

i think that the amount of pedophiles that would be sexually aroused by the picture of a naked child under about 6 years old would be so minimal that is not considerable.
at the ages of about 8 and older, humans start to develop into a recognizable human form that is where the danger point starts for pedophiles in most cases i think.



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10 Jul 2016, 8:23 pm

I don't know why anyone would get excited about a naked body, Yuck.



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14 Nov 2016, 12:32 pm

Why?!? Because real cherubs are reported to be quite cranky.


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16 Nov 2016, 6:23 pm

IMO, it isn't whether a child is clothed, nude, in the bathtub, playing with a dog..... There are pedophiles who look at children in a sexual way, no-matter-what. It doesn't matter if they're dressed in a sexy way, or looking sexy----it's how a pedophile "sees" them (not just with their eyes). We can't imagine it, cuz we're not pedophiles----but, I can remember, very clearly, for instance, an assembly we had at my school, and the cop said with the rape cases they've had, the victims were as young as 6-months-old, and the oldest was 83. Now, just the thought of someone raping a 6-month-old baby, almost causes me to have a seizure----the same with an 83-year-old woman----but, it happens more-often than we realize, I think.

There's a user on here that has an avatar of whom I assume is her son----beautiful young boy, about 12ish, I'd guess; blonde hair, tan, BIG smile, laying on what looks like his bed, unfortunately, turned to his right, and bare-chested----every time I see that picture, I've felt terribly sick-to-my-stomach, because I think about someone stealing that picture and doing "something", while looking at it; and, I'm not talking about someone on here (though, it COULD happen), doing that; but, with today's technology, anybody who can right-click can steal a picture from anywhere on the web, that doesn't have a "right-click block" (I've "stolen" pics of flowers, for instance----it doesn't leave a person's site; it just gets down-loaded to one's hard-drive). Someone could click on her profile, and get a larger picture; and, they could also do that cross-checking thing (or, whatever it's called) with the picture, and find where it is anywhere else on the web, and get MORE pictures of that kid. It scares me to DEATH. (She rarely posts, anymore, and I had to block her avatar cuz it was so disturbing to me----but, I've always wanted to PM her, but I've been concerned she wouldn't take my caution, well, and I don't wanna get in an entanglement with anyone on here.)

As for why naked pictures of babies are acceptable----I'm thinking it has something to do with seeing babies as their "new" self; for some, maybe, the way God intended them; for others, I'm thinking it means they're pure, maybe.





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19 Nov 2016, 4:34 pm

Because naked babies are pure, full of wonder & beauty & life. They're not sexualized at all.

Pornography, IMO, are sexualized photos. Not just nude bodies. But poses and props that make the picture a thing of sexual desire.

Granted, I could see a photo of a naked child and think nothing of it other than it's a naked child - meanwhile some perv might get off to it, making it child pornography to them.

Naked photos of kids passed ~toddler age or so are generally frowned upon, though. And for good reason. People do want to protect children from predators, molesters, pervs trading child porn pics, kidnappers & human traffickers and pimps etc.

My perspective on nudity is different than most, though. I spent ~135 days over the last 2 Summers hanging out at a nude beach with naked people of all ages. Nudity is natural & not necessarily sexual at all.


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19 Nov 2016, 5:46 pm

The US is getting far more puritanical over time.

For example, there was some movie years ago about a girl growing up in a New Orleans bordello and had several nude scenes. I remember seeing it uncut on one of the movie channels -- either HBO, Showtime, or CineMax. I wouldn't think anyone would dare make that movie today, much less show it on a movie channel.

Even when not involving nudity, this country is far more puritanical today.

Look at the big change in sportswear for things like basketball and volleyball. It used to be nearly universal in the US for people to wear fairly brief gym shorts. If you wear them these days, people think you are in your underwear. I loved those old shorts and still have maybe 20 or 30 pair of them I bought for about $2 each at a sporting goods store after they had gone out of fashion.

In tv commercials, remember the old Nair short shorts commercials. I don't think anyone would put those on tv these days.

I wonder what would happen if they showed this commercial in the US today:



There's nothing wrong with that commercial at all, but I suspect it would have many people screaming sexism.

It's disgusting to me that so many people are so ready to insist on being offended.



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20 Nov 2016, 12:52 am

I don't think it's acceptable. It's disturbing that someone has a desire to photograph naked children/ babies. Sick.


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20 Nov 2016, 3:10 am

the amount of people in society that would find toddlers or babies sexually arousing is probably less than 1 in a million.
pedophiles tend to go for people over about 7 years old, and it becomes more worrisome for pictures of naked kids over about 6 years old.
but babies?
seriously, if the whole world is going to change their behavior due to paranoid concerns over so few people, then it is similar to how terrorists incite paranoia in people even when it is extremely unlikely they will ever experience problems due to it.



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22 Nov 2016, 5:41 am

The_Dark_Citadel wrote:
I don't think it's acceptable. It's disturbing that someone has a desire to photograph naked children/ babies. Sick.


I find it rather disturbing that someone thinks it is sick. Sure, there are some who get a sexual thrill out of it and they are sick. But for the vast majority of people, there is nothing sick about it.



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22 Nov 2016, 8:35 am

eric76 wrote:
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I don't think it's acceptable. It's disturbing that someone has a desire to photograph naked children/ babies. Sick.


I find it rather disturbing that someone thinks it is sick. Sure, there are some who get a sexual thrill out of it and they are sick. But for the vast majority of people, there is nothing sick about it.

It's disturbing that you think it's fine to photograph someone nude without consent.


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