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06 Jun 2018, 8:48 am

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... you have to know when to say "poor baby."
Sadly, not enough people know when to stop saying "poor baby" and start saying "stand up and walk". It's those types that I refer to as "Enablers" -- they're so busy being supportive that they don't realize that they've been sucked into someone else's pity-party.


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06 Jun 2018, 10:09 am

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Yep...always play nice with Ezra :P

In all seriousness, I feel Ezra is pretty hip to things. He won't get taken for a ride.


Unfortunately that's not always the case.



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06 Jun 2018, 10:22 am

Don't worry....we'll zap all the miscreants!

I sense that you might get sucked in at first....but then you ask the proper questions.

I'm a naive sort myself. I can get "sucked in." And I have been "sucked in."

I've learned the signs that somebody wants to "suck you in."

The good thing is:

The people who I have seen make the attempt to "suck people in" don't usually do a very good job of it.



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06 Jun 2018, 10:33 am

Adding to my earlier post there is the autistic traits of narrow hyperfocus and repetitive behaviors. When this is combined with thinking one is worthless and hopeless, the NT world is hopeless for me to navigate and hopeless in general it becomes a destructive "negative thought loop".

Of course, destructive negative thought loops, a sense of entitlement, social media enabling are things plenty of NT's engage in also. I think autistic traits enhance these and make them harder to change.

Off topic a bit, I agree Ezra is bright and engaged. While you might not agree with his politics as a student in a special needs school you should listen when he debunks the overly positive autistic stereotypes, the stereotypes as autistics as only the victim. And since us old farts were forced to engage in the NT world with varying degrees of success and failure when we try and debunk negative NT stereotypes or advise how to navigate their world we might have an idea of what we are talking about.


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06 Jun 2018, 10:43 am

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It's like an overweight person complaining that they can never lose weight. Someone being advises them to eat less and exercise more. He/she will then come up with dozens of excuses as to why the principle of burning more calories than those being consumed just won't work for them.


Actually those people do exist, they are the ones who sprout out HAES and Body Positive and they are called fat activists or Fat Acceptance group. They will accuse you of fat shaming if you talk about how unhealthy having too much body fat is and how it affects your body and stuff and your bones. But yet they won't accuse you of anorexic shaming when you talk about how unhealthy it is and how it affects your body nor will they accuse you of smoke shaming when you talk about how bad smoking is and what it does to your health. I bet if you talk about how unhealthy fast food is and junk food, they might still accuse you of fat shaming than food shaming. Honestly I think these people have to have low IQs because no one can possibly be this stupid and some of them are even therapists so that shows anyone can get a psychology degree just as long as they have passion and can study.


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06 Jun 2018, 10:49 am

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The most stubborn people are the ones who feel they are "entitled" to rant about other people, commit violence upon other people, do criminal acts----simply because they had some trauma in their lives.

"My mother spanked me.....that's why I go around robbing people!"



Excuses. I always hate those people and I have seen few of those around online.

Someone once posted on Facebook that there is no excuse to be a sh***y person. Boy did that turn into a debate by those with mental illnesses and trauma.

Science has supposedly shown that people who get spanked are more likely to be aggressive and commit crimes but then why aren't the majority of adults in prison? Most of us were spanked. I have not committed any felonies yet or crimes and neither has anyone else I have known that were spanked. This was pretty normal in my childhood and hey lot of us didn't turn into criminals or abusers.


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06 Jun 2018, 11:01 am

Yeah ... when I was growing up in the 1960s, it was common practice to ignore a parent spanking or slapping a child in public. The common assumption seemed to be that children deserved whatever punishment their parents gave them, no matter how severe (short of maiming, crippling or killing the child, of course).

I admit that I received such public humiliation ... and that the bullies at school picked up where my father left off ... and then my father would beat me up for getting beaten up at school ... then the bullies (et cetera) ... then my father (et cetera) ...

But, my father is dead, and so are most of the bullies. While I remember what they did, the memory no longer makes me sad or angry, and it certainly does not motivate me to take aim at a crowd of people with a weapon or vehicle.

Sure, a lot of people had pain-filled childhoods -- but, in my opinion, it takes an exceptionally weak mind to blame today's violence on events that occurred 50+ years ago.


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06 Jun 2018, 11:27 am

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Yeah ... when I was growing up in the 1960s, it was common practice to ignore a parent spanking or slapping a child in public. The common assumption seemed to be that children deserved whatever punishment their parents gave them, no matter how severe (short of maiming, crippling or killing the child, of course).


The whole idea then was what other parents did with their kids was "none of your f*****g business". It was their child, their home, they knew their kid best and as was brought up in another post it was a severe breach of social etiquette to "rat" on them.


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06 Jun 2018, 1:42 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Yeah ... when I was growing up in the 1960s, it was common practice to ignore a parent spanking or slapping a child in public. The common assumption seemed to be that children deserved whatever punishment their parents gave them, no matter how severe (short of maiming, crippling or killing the child, of course)...
The whole idea then was what other parents did with their kids was "none of your f*****g business". It was their child, their home, they knew their kid best; and as was brought up in another post it was a severe breach of social etiquette to "rat" on them.
You know it! Let me guess ... working/middle class, suburban, manufacturing/rust belt, and public school?

I ask because we're about the same age, and we seem to have similar attitudes and experiences.


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06 Jun 2018, 2:09 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Yeah ... when I was growing up in the 1960s, it was common practice to ignore a parent spanking or slapping a child in public. The common assumption seemed to be that children deserved whatever punishment their parents gave them, no matter how severe (short of maiming, crippling or killing the child, of course)...
The whole idea then was what other parents did with their kids was "none of your f*****g business". It was their child, their home, they knew their kid best; and as was brought up in another post it was a severe breach of social etiquette to "rat" on them.
You know it! Let me guess ... working/middle class, suburban, manufacturing/rust belt, and public school?

I ask because we're about the same age, and we seem to have similar attitudes and experiences.

Born the same year as you. Working/middle class suburban neighborhood. Not the rust belt, Long Island. Mostly public schools through state college. My public school threw me out after 2nd grade because they could. No law mandating everybody gets an education, no special schools to speak of. Somehow my parents did not institutionlize me as was common for “mental cripples” back then but got me into a private school for 2 years. The smaller class sizes seemed to help and I was thrown back into public schools for 5th grade. If I or any student did was not paying attention my 5th grade teacher would take an eraser load it with chalk powder and throw it at you. If you were late you would get a can or some object thrown out the window at you that would land really close by. He used what was then called “ethnic humor”. We did not feel offended or abused, to this day he is still peoples favorite teacher and mine too.


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06 Jun 2018, 7:58 pm

People who couldn't take subtile suggestions?
People who can't distinguish between a lost cause, from some ego tripper, and from a person who really needs a lift?


I dunno... I'm rather conflicted.
A part of me is trying to be foolishly sympathetic, yet another part of me would rather beat the crap out of them carelessly.

Doesn't help that words and terms are not my friends.


And, in real life, I'm more or less surrounded by what the OP says called 'enablers'. None of them are or had to be autistic -- or even knew of me. It's just how it is in my province. They can't truly distinguish a lost cause from a lost soul. Well, I couldn't either.
I know what was like when I'm blinded by my emotions to lure them in, let them know to be lenient to me or whatever, and wanting it to last. I also know what was like to be sick of them 'giving', and had enough with making me 'take' what they 'give'.


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07 Jun 2018, 8:20 am

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... I know what was like when I'm blinded by my emotions to lure them in, let them know to be lenient to me or whatever, and wanting it to last.
Who wouldn't want a little sympathy now and then? Who wouldn't occasionally want to hear words of encouragement? It's the people who want this kind of treatment all of the time, and who seemingly feed off of other people's sympathy like a lamprey feeds of the blood of its host, that make wonder why anyone would put up with them.
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I also know what was like to be sick of them 'giving', and had enough with making me 'take' what they 'give'.
Yeah ... like I've posted before, my relatives can't seem to rid themselves of the belief that I'm still a confused and awkward 14-year old boy who has no friends. I got so tired of their smarmy condescendency that I relocated to the west coast and left them all back in the rust belt area. Since then, I have done much to prove them wrong, if only they would take time to notice.


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07 Jun 2018, 8:40 am

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Literally ALL you do, Fnord, is (... blah... blah... blah...) ...
You have literally been a member of this website for what, 2 weeks? And you already think you know all that there is to know about me.

Well, you don't.

Not that it matters; it's just that, for some strange reason, I felt that you needed me to point out something obvious to you.


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07 Jun 2018, 8:51 am

They've been here 2 weeks, you were gone for like 2 years. I wonder who their previous incarnation was.



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07 Jun 2018, 9:30 am

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They've been here 2 weeks, you were gone for like 2 years. I wonder who their previous incarnation was.


Yeh... must be a re-joiner.


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07 Jun 2018, 9:33 am

True----yes!