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19 Jun 2018, 8:24 pm

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In the Beatles, Lennon was generally regarded as the rebel, Harrison as somewhat 'deep' and mysterious, Starr as the least gifted, albeit quite funny, and McCartney as obviously hugely talented, something of a 'nice guy' though perhaps a bit bland (at least compared with Lennon).
After reading his biography, I can say that McCartney is far from a nice guy. Maybe narcissistic though I think Lennon was narcissistic too.

He constantly ridiculed his band members and wasn't very nice to them because he was very picky about how he wanted some parts played. McCartney actually played secretly snuck in the recording studio and recorded drum parts behind Ringo's back which made Ringo temporarily quit the band.

Considering that my dad has compared me to Paul McCartney when I'm having to deal with other band members, I can at least see where he's coming from though I don't think I ever was as bad as him in some regards(he called one of the members from wings a c*** because he was getting kind of sick of being treated badly).

In the end...damn, I still love Paul; his music is so good, haha!

Which biography?

It's been a really long time so I'm not sure if I quite remember since there are a lot of biographies about Paul McCartney. But, I think it was called Paul McCartney: A Life by Peter Ames Carlin. I had to look it up and it looks like at least it's the same title and book cover I read almost ten years ago, haha

Was a pretty good book though.



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19 Jun 2018, 8:31 pm

Conner42 wrote:
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In the Beatles, Lennon was generally regarded as the rebel, Harrison as somewhat 'deep' and mysterious, Starr as the least gifted, albeit quite funny, and McCartney as obviously hugely talented, something of a 'nice guy' though perhaps a bit bland (at least compared with Lennon).
After reading his biography, I can say that McCartney is far from a nice guy. Maybe narcissistic though I think Lennon was narcissistic too.

He constantly ridiculed his band members and wasn't very nice to them because he was very picky about how he wanted some parts played. McCartney actually played secretly snuck in the recording studio and recorded drum parts behind Ringo's back which made Ringo temporarily quit the band.



Fair comment, though I should've made it clear I was talking about the general public's perception of McCartney, very few of whom would have had inside information about the internal dynamics within the band at the time.


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19 Jun 2018, 9:45 pm

DeepHour wrote:
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In the Beatles, Lennon was generally regarded as the rebel, Harrison as somewhat 'deep' and mysterious, Starr as the least gifted, albeit quite funny, and McCartney as obviously hugely talented, something of a 'nice guy' though perhaps a bit bland (at least compared with Lennon).
After reading his biography, I can say that McCartney is far from a nice guy. Maybe narcissistic though I think Lennon was narcissistic too.

He constantly ridiculed his band members and wasn't very nice to them because he was very picky about how he wanted some parts played. McCartney actually played secretly snuck in the recording studio and recorded drum parts behind Ringo's back which made Ringo temporarily quit the band.



Fair comment, though I should've made it clear I was talking about the general public's perception of McCartney, very few of whom would have had inside information about the internal dynamics within the band at the time.
Oh, I see, that makes sense.

In a lot of ways, for perception at least, I guess that's more important, haha



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20 Jun 2018, 12:13 am

This is a great long autistic rambling which you need not read. I suggest that it was Linda's sickness & death that might have made Paul temporarily evil.

Would this nasty behaviour on the part of Paul have occurred maybe between 1995-1998? That was when Linda was sick and dying. Add a few years for grieving?

I remember a long period of time when Paul went berserk but nobody knew why. His people were terrified of him. He had people going through garbage pails and if there was evidence of meat for lunch, the individual was fired on the spot, and Paul would have the individual blacklisted for further employment anywhere. I was surprised when he carried those rules on tour and made a point of destroying at least one person in each city.

But wasn't that the exact opposite of the kind of guy we were used to? Later, I thought, what if people blamed Paul's smoking for Linda's cancer? He certainly went berserk. Nobody would discuss it, or anything else about Paul; they were afraid of him.

So I look at the copyright date of the biography by Peter Ames Carlin and it's 2009. If he had all details of the Berserk Period, then how long does it take to write a biography? I think the time frame is possible, given the proof of accuracy required - it must have taken forever to write.

He was certainly out of his mind when he married Wife #2.

And when that was all over, he admitted to seeing a psychiatrist, thank heaven.

p.s. no, the dates don't match. Paul & Linda played the Montreal Forum on Dec.9/89 - I remember looking at the marquis and that was when I was told of his wretched behaviour. And the rules seemed to all about Linda - veganism, wall to wall fresh flowers in the dressing room but *absolutely no trees* may lightening strike you.



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20 Jun 2018, 12:25 am

there is no greatness untinctured by madness.



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20 Jun 2018, 1:41 am

Good heavens, you're quoting Aristotle!
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20 Jun 2018, 2:15 am

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Good heavens, you're quoting Aristotle!
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thank you for telling me who originally said it, as i'd read other people who said it without attributing it to Aristotle :study: but ain't it the truth?



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20 Jun 2018, 2:44 am

It is the truth but those people are so rare! I've met a few, very very few. They're brilliant and half-daft.



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20 Jun 2018, 2:46 am

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It is the truth but those people are so rare! I've met a few, very very few. They're brilliant and half-daft.

we generally see them at a great distance, they shine brightly and flame out brightly at times.



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20 Jun 2018, 10:10 am

Claradoon wrote:
This is a great long autistic rambling which you need not read. I suggest that it was Linda's sickness & death that might have made Paul temporarily evil.

Would this nasty behaviour on the part of Paul have occurred maybe between 1995-1998? That was when Linda was sick and dying. Add a few years for grieving?

I remember a long period of time when Paul went berserk but nobody knew why. His people were terrified of him. He had people going through garbage pails and if there was evidence of meat for lunch, the individual was fired on the spot, and Paul would have the individual blacklisted for further employment anywhere. I was surprised when he carried those rules on tour and made a point of destroying at least one person in each city.

But wasn't that the exact opposite of the kind of guy we were used to? Later, I thought, what if people blamed Paul's smoking for Linda's cancer? He certainly went berserk. Nobody would discuss it, or anything else about Paul; they were afraid of him.

So I look at the copyright date of the biography by Peter Ames Carlin and it's 2009. If he had all details of the Berserk Period, then how long does it take to write a biography? I think the time frame is possible, given the proof of accuracy required - it must have taken forever to write.

He was certainly out of his mind when he married Wife #2.

And when that was all over, he admitted to seeing a psychiatrist, thank heaven.

p.s. no, the dates don't match. Paul & Linda played the Montreal Forum on Dec.9/89 - I remember looking at the marquis and that was when I was told of his wretched behaviour. And the rules seemed to all about Linda - veganism, wall to wall fresh flowers in the dressing room but *absolutely no trees* may lightening strike you.

I don't remember him going berserk in the book but his jerkish behavior was mostly happening during his time with Wings.

It is kind of common though with talented people being kind of difficult to work with. I kind of wonder if in Paul's case it was hard for him to find an equal in music. Not a lot of people get to his level in music and he might have had a hard time communicating his ideas with other people. On that note, I can kind of relate with him because music is the thing I know best and, honestly, might be the only thing I'm really good at either and it's hard to find people to work with at my level. I was at a music school and they assigned us to be in bands and I thought everything was going fine and I was just helping people and showing people the right parts to play and one of the band members blew up on me saying I was condescending and acted like everyone else didn't know what they were doing and I'm still not sure why he thought that.

Yeah...turns out you can be so good at something that it can be a problem...

Paul McCartney did resort to name calling though a couple of times and maybe he did overwork his band members and had some ideas that his band members maybe weren't really enthusiastic about.

I kind of wonder if he developed an ego after being in the Beatles but even the Beatles couldn't really stand each other after a certain amount of time, haha!

People might think Paul could have stood to be nicer but a lot of people don't know what it's like to be in a band because, oi vey, being in a band can be really stressful. As far as I've heard with stories about other band members, Paul McCartney is actually one of the nicer people.



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20 Jun 2018, 3:29 pm

My brother and I have listened to the Beatles since we were teenagers in the 1990s. It's sad that there are people who don't even know who Paul McCartney is. You'd think they would have at least heard of him. But then again, younger people think I'm weird for not knowing whoever it is they're listening to now.

Now I feel like listening to "When I'm 64", even though Paul must be over 64 by now. :)



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20 Jun 2018, 4:21 pm

ringo was one beatle paul couldn't push around. he would drum his bass off and after 8 hours or so, would put on his jacket and go home, come hell or high water, sometimes leaving paul steaming.



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21 Jun 2018, 9:09 am

lostonearth,

Paul McCartney turned 76 on Monday.

Yes, I find it crazy that people don't even know who the Beatles are. More people should know their music. It is fun to listen to, especially the earlier songs.



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21 Jun 2018, 3:42 pm

I know a guy who never heard of Elvis and never saw or heard of Star Wars. Born in a religious family and never had a TV until he got his own house.

Showed him the magic that is Tom Jones :lol:

There was no going back :mrgreen:


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21 Jun 2018, 4:40 pm

Back in the Seventies I read a column in the paper about how...

Well the story was about a trial of neo Nazi hoodlums in Chicago. Their defense lawyer wanted jurors who werent biased against Nazis. Long story short: they actually found at least one lady in Chicago who "never heard of Adolf Hitler", another person who said that he "heard something about him years ago, but couldnt remember what it was".

I still haven't gotten over being gobsmacked that anyone in the Seventies would not know who Hitler was. Guess that it takes all kinds.



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21 Jun 2018, 5:46 pm

I never could get over how full of himself McCartney was/is.