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24 Oct 2019, 9:18 am

It would be hard to match the efficiencies of current power plants.


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24 Oct 2019, 9:23 am

the efficiencies go out the window with present transmission tech.



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24 Oct 2019, 11:48 am

There are several disadvantages to burying power lines:

• Installing underground lines can cost 7-10 times more than overhead lines, especially in an area prone to earthquakes and landslides.

• Buried lines must be protected by conduit, otherwise they are susceptible to shortages from groundwater infiltration, especially in an area prone to earthquakes and landslides..

• Buried lines can take longer to repair because the damaged area is usually more difficult to locate, especially in an area prone to earthquakes and landslides..

• Undergrounding can be risky due to the presence of underground obstacles or other utility lines like gas, water or telecommunication lines, especially in an area prone to earthquakes and landslides..

• Underground power lines would not prevent outages caused by damage to high-voltage lines or towers, especially in an area prone to earthquakes and landslides..



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24 Oct 2019, 9:02 pm

auntblabby wrote:
it's not too late for the power companies to start investing in alternative power delivery systems that can sidestep these issues, such as making power plants for individual buildings and doing away with massive powerline systems. :idea:

Must acknowledge at this point , within my knowledge base .That this has already been done once . But due to Rank consumerism , exploited by large Corps . With very deep pockets & beyond my scope of mind sized lobbying
Efforts . Warden Cliff Tower was destroyed . Parts of the sites building still remain , in whose hands ? Is that property now .?
Am Acknowledging Nickola Testlas work in free Energy transmission. Was test and was shortly operational , by what i have read in past .

Much of this was before , practicing chemistry , and metallurgy to create poorly efficient solar panels .. Now into 21st century , this technology has advanced tremedously as has efficiency .. Only to be limited by electrical energy storage.
Using same concepts of chemistry and metalurgy .At this point in time .
This technology has leaped forward significantly . Storage is not as cumbersome . And this technology is still making advances . OOOPS .
Think time of Pharoah and zinc plate in lemon juice in small vase like vessel
Found in a pyramid . When thy recreated this devise with fresh lemon juice.
It had charge , zinc plate was positive for dc . Before charging ! First known battery.
But dearest Nickolas devise had no requirements for onsite storage .
Just a reciever build onto any persons house .

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Electrical R&D is much more fun If done for fun . Blame my mom and dad , having lab tech for mum,and Father a R&D Electronics development & Engineering .Started owned operated his own business since 1959 -1986 same location. Engaged in Electronics since early 1930s . Owning operating same type of business . But primarily .since early days of radio. RIP 1905-1989 . was one of 2 daughters had very late in their Lives. Plus three other individuals , as siblings. Not a mistype , medically classified as brothers.
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25 Oct 2019, 6:21 am

^^^so being they left behind artifacts suggestive of electricity tech from pharoah's days, think of where we'd be if only technological advance were orderly and steady. each one of us would have their own personal power plant not subject to disturbance by one's local environment. or at the very least the disturbance could be contained within a small area not ruining it for the whole region.



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25 Oct 2019, 6:51 am

Burying power lines might be a good idea in lots of areas but it it cant be down across the whole country. Burying lines is very problematic in areas that are at or below sea level like lots of areas in Louisiana. Even the graves there are above ground

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From my perspective this is more like attacking the victim. The PG&E utility workers are more like first line responders. When I lost my power because several tornadoes tore through my property downing many trees and power lines. They were the ones that restored my electrical power.
The workers could be without power as well & the 1s being shot at are the 1s who are less likely to have any power or authority in making the decisions.


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25 Oct 2019, 8:11 am

never blame the fix-it people, unless they are a racket.



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25 Oct 2019, 3:13 pm

It looks like California may experience more power outages in the coming weeks. This time in Southern California.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday afternoon issued an emergency proclamation for Sonoma and Los Angeles counties due to the effects of the Kincade and Tick fires, which have "destroyed structures, threatened homes, & caused the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents."

Meanwhile, the state utility that has been criticized for imposing blackouts in order to prevent such wildfires says a transmission line that it didn’t shut off may have been the source of a blaze that on Friday was raging out of control in the Golden State.

However, PG&E said Thursday it didn’t de-energize a 230,000-volt transmission line near Geyserville that malfunctioned minutes before the fire erupted Wednesday night. The company reported finding a “broken jumper” wire on a transmission tower that evening.

In shutting off the electricity, PG&E cut power to the distribution lines that supply homes, but not to its long-distance transmission lines.

Source: California wildfires: Newsom issues proclamation, Kincade fire may have been sparked by transmission line
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This is an interesting development. The operative word is "may". A transmission line that it didn’t shut off may have been the source of a blaze. But a lot of other things could have caused the blaze. Someone tossing a lit cigarette or a campfire or trash burn that got out of control. Or even an arsonist.

These high voltage transmission lines are different than normal transmission lines. The towers are much higher and better built. Some are built like steel towers. I have one that skirts the end of my property. The power company maintains a 100 foot corridor on either side of the line and maintains it by stripping all trees from it. Therefore that generally means that falling tree limbs do not pose a danger. In my case, these power lines went down a decade ago because a tornado ripped though it.


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25 Oct 2019, 11:20 pm

jimmy m wrote:
It looks like California may experience more power outages in the coming weeks. This time in Southern California.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday afternoon issued an emergency proclamation for Sonoma and Los Angeles counties due to the effects of the Kincade and Tick fires, which have "destroyed structures, threatened homes, & caused the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents."

Meanwhile, the state utility that has been criticized for imposing blackouts in order to prevent such wildfires says a transmission line that it didn’t shut off may have been the source of a blaze that on Friday was raging out of control in the Golden State.

However, PG&E said Thursday it didn’t de-energize a 230,000-volt transmission line near Geyserville that malfunctioned minutes before the fire erupted Wednesday night. The company reported finding a “broken jumper” wire on a transmission tower that evening.

In shutting off the electricity, PG&E cut power to the distribution lines that supply homes, but not to its long-distance transmission lines.

Source: California wildfires: Newsom issues proclamation, Kincade fire may have been sparked by transmission line
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This is an interesting development. The operative word is "may". A transmission line that it didn’t shut off may have been the source of a blaze. But a lot of other things could have caused the blaze. Someone tossing a lit cigarette or a campfire or trash burn that got out of control. Or even an arsonist.

These high voltage transmission lines are different than normal transmission lines. The towers are much higher and better built. Some are built like steel towers. I have one that skirts the end of my property. The power company maintains a 100 foot corridor on either side of the line and maintains it by stripping all trees from it. Therefore that generally means that falling tree limbs do not pose a danger. In my case, these power lines went down a decade ago because a tornado ripped though it.


OMG.been around those transmission line towers, musta been hec of a tornado ..in California ! Aren't those mostly in the midwest ?
Scarey stuffs in Cali .


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25 Oct 2019, 11:24 pm

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OMG.been around those transmission line towers, musta been hec of a tornado ..in California ! Aren't those mostly in the midwest ?

there are tornados even up here in south puget sound area of washington state, most recent one was a glorified dust devil/water spout that technically qualified as a tornado, tore roofs off a few houses.



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26 Oct 2019, 1:00 am

auntblabby wrote:
Jakki wrote:
OMG.been around those transmission line towers, musta been hec of a tornado ..in California ! Aren't those mostly in the midwest ?

there are tornados even up here in south puget sound area of washington state, most recent one was a glorified dust devil/water spout that technically qualified as a tornado, tore roofs off a few houses.


That is so weird ... or am living in a past world existence?
Am very sorry some our midwestern tornadoes got loose and headed out that way..


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26 Oct 2019, 2:11 am

Jakki wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Jakki wrote:
OMG.been around those transmission line towers, musta been hec of a tornado ..in California ! Aren't those mostly in the midwest ?

there are tornados even up here in south puget sound area of washington state, most recent one was a glorified dust devil/water spout that technically qualified as a tornado, tore roofs off a few houses.


That is so weird ... or am living in a past world existence?
Am very sorry some our midwestern tornadoes got loose and headed out that way..

let's just say that of the four winds, they were distant cousins.



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26 Oct 2019, 8:33 am

Jakki wrote:
OMG.been around those transmission line towers, musta been hec of a tornado ..in California ! Aren't those mostly in the midwest ? Scarey stuffs in Cali .


Actually I live in the Midwest, in Indiana. And yes it was scary. It almost took the house. It destroyed many of my large trees that were 1-2 foot in diameter. It took them down by the roots or snapped them in two like twigs. I lost around 100 big trees. Many of these were strong hardwood trees like oaks.

This is what my driveway looked like after the tornados roared through.
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26 Oct 2019, 12:39 pm

Now, the company (PG&E) is announcing some 2.5 million people could lose power for over 48 hours starting this weekend (in California). But, they're not giving a timeframe to residents.

"The last shutdown cost over $2 billion to the economy of the Bay Area. Now, this is a fight between PG&E and the legislature," he explained.

However, Del Beccaro says that the "real issue here is that PG&E is a government-controlled monopoly" that haven't done maintenance for years.

"In California...they're forcing PG&E to do social justice work instead of their core mission. Don't let your state turn your power companies into green plants where they have to buy expensive energy at the expense of maintenance".

Source: California's blackouts are a cautionary tale, warns former CA Republican Party Chairman


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26 Oct 2019, 3:12 pm

Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E) confirmed it would initiate a mass power shut-off of nearly 940,000 customers on Saturday, with the total impacted rising from 2.5 to 2.8 million.

PG&E will shut off power in six phases, beginning at 2:00 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 26, and ending at 10:00 a.m. on Sunday, Oct. 27.

Source: California wildfires force more than 50,000 evacuations after 'historic wind event,' more power shutoffs

Asherah Davidown, 17, of Magalia said "For the most part, a lot of people feel really helpless. Their livelihoods are at the fingertips of a corporation," she said. "There's still a lot of hurt and emotional recovery. Having our basic needs repeatedly taken away is really unfortunate."


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30 Oct 2019, 4:26 pm

Newsom [Governor of California] declared a statewide emergency Sunday as multiple wildfires forced the evacuation of nearly 200,000 people from their homes. Mandatory evacuations were ordered Wednesday morning in Southern California when a rapidly moving wildfire ignited in Simi Valley, near the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

The biggest evacuation took place in Northern California's Sonoma County, where 180,000 people were told to pack up and leave. Meanwhile, PG&E shut off power to 2.3 million people across 36 counties starting Saturday evening.

"Just look at PG&E, which is getting all the blame for the fires and the blackouts. They're not allowed to clear dead trees near their power lines ... The 'greens' insist on minimal forest management. PG&E is forced to spend billions buying expensive wind and solar power ... an extra $2.2 billion each and every year -- money that cannot be spent on fireproofing," Varney said.

The state Supreme Court has ruled that PG&E will be held liable for damage caused by their equipment, even if they were not negligent. And by law, PG&E must provide power in all areas -- even those designated as having a very high fire risk.

Source: Varney blames California's 'far-left climate change politics' as wildfires rage

Last year there was a massive revolt by the "common man" in France which continues even today. It was called the Yellow Vest movement. It was caused by an increase in fuel taxes, the result of climate change policies. Currently there is a massive revolt underway in Chile. This was caused by fare hikes for public transport, the result of climate change policies. If the a great portion of the population in California is deprived of electricity through long lasting blackouts, will it result in a revolt by "the common man"?


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