What Sort Of Model Railrway Do You Like?
If you're creating a miniature replica of a real place the track will usually be end to end from what I've seen.
The goal is to recreate the scene as accurately as possible rather than have fun making the trains go round.
They can be quite large though so you still get fun running the train.
Interestingly, I wonder about my Grandad. He loved trains and tractors.
He was quite successful in business though. Back in the day there were more social and etiquette rules, so I think if you learned them you got by a bit more easily socially or in business. He was well travelled so picked up that fake colonial British accent and way of doing things that translates well across business at that level. It's like learning the rules of a game or dance.
Now it's a free for all. My grandparents instilled strict manners in me. Don't help me socially to make friends, people think I'm a bit stiff, but I can talk the talk, I've got the "right" accent and have a good job myself... That I'm not really coping with because of the social politics, but that's another story.
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Since then our railways were privatized again and one of the new companies called itself First Great Western. It has since dropped the "First" part of its name which was used because it belonged to a parent company under the name "First", which called itself the "First Group", to become Great Western. So in a way we have a reformed company working over part of the routes that the old Great Western Railway once ran.
The old Great Western Railway as a compny were very forward thinking. They actually sent their engineers to travel the world looking for ideas to use on their locomotives and their railway. They had a few world records. The first train to pass 100 mph in 1904 (The railway tried to play it down as they did not want to publicize it, as it was thought that if a train or by any other means, one travveled over 100 mph one would die, so if word got out they would loose passengers). It was pulled by a loco built in 1903 called "The City Or Truro" which was one of a class of 4-4-0 locos with external frames. External frames were needed for safety as locomotives were made of iron in those days, and they once had a drive wheel axle break causing a wheel to come off at speed which killed people, so the GWR built these locos and several others with external frames to prevent the wheels flying off if an axle broke. They also had the worlds first passenger service booked to run at speeds over 100mph in the timetable (Over part of the journey. Not the whole journey). It was called "The Cheltenham Flyer".
They also had the most powerful passenger express loco built in its day desite being a small size. (Actually two locos. The Castles came first and then came the King class which was basically an enlarged castle class with a larger boiler to give a tractive effort of 40,000 pounds. The USA was so impressed of the power output of the GWR locos that the first of the King class locos number 6000 "King George V" was shipped out to the USA to demonstrate its abilities and to share ideas etc. The USA fitted it with a bell. The only King class to have this bell. I saw it in 1987 as it came through here on a steam special .
The early days of the Great Western Railway had another unusual feature in that they used broad gauge. The broad gauge was 7ft wide but later was widened a quarter of an inch as express speeds increased above 60 mph (The GWR also were amongst the first to pass the 60 mph barrier). Tha advantage of broad gauge is that it was known to be very stable at high speed. Unfortunately most of the other railway companies chose the more popular 4ft 8 inch gauge which was later widened half an inch when speeds of trains increased. The slight widening of the gauge prevented issues when trains went round curves at speed. (They had heavy rail wear and widening the gauge prevented this as it gave the wheels a little slack which was jot an issue when they were running at low speeds, but 60 or more mph and it made a difference). Due to the incompatibility of using two different gauges, the GWR were eventually forced to drop their broad gauge and convert to standard gauge (4ft 8 1/2 inches). (Standard gauge was once called narrow gauge in the early years!)
The GWR had miles of track to convert and one stretch of line in the Cornwall area they converted 81 miles of broad gauge track to standard gauge in a single day! Not even today could this be done in such a short time!
Other famous firsts by the GWR was a tunnel under the sea which for many years was the longest tunnel in the world at 4 miles 836 yards long called the Severn Tunnel. (I did Severn tunnel training when I first worked on the railways as there were plans for my depot staff to work through to Bristol Temple Meads, but this never materialized).
The company was the first to adopt what was known as "Standardization" where their locomotives were made from standard parts. Due to this, one "Lost" class member when the steam era ended and all of a certain class were lost, a new loco was made from an entirely different class which shared the same parts, so the lost class of loco was brought back to life in recent years. I can't remember the class at the moment but it will come back to me. One of the 4-6-0's I believe as they used a 2-6-2T Prairie to make it... Ooh. I know which it was. The Grange class.
Locos absorbed into the GWR when "Grouping" took place in 1923 where all the little companies that formed the railway network became formed into just four big companies known as "The Big Four" which did not have standard parts were rebuilt in the GWR works at Swindon and became entirely new locos with new boilers. The term used was "Swindonized" amongst the enthusiasts!
Thank you for this abundant information on the Great Western Railway . And it descendants . And general history of the railway .
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Since then our railways were privatized again and one of the new companies called itself First Great Western. It has since dropped the "First" part of its name which was used because it belonged to a parent company under the name "First", which called itself the "First Group", to become Great Western. So in a way we have a reformed company working over part of the routes that the old Great Western Railway once ran.
The old Great Western Railway as a compny were very forward thinking. They actually sent their engineers to travel the world looking for ideas to use on their locomotives and their railway. They had a few world records. The first train to pass 100 mph in 1904 (The railway tried to play it down as they did not want to publicize it, as it was thought that if a train or by any other means, one travveled over 100 mph one would die, so if word got out they would loose passengers). It was pulled by a loco built in 1903 called "The City Or Truro" which was one of a class of 4-4-0 locos with external frames. External frames were needed for safety as locomotives were made of iron in those days, and they once had a drive wheel axle break causing a wheel to come off at speed which killed people, so the GWR built these locos and several others with external frames to prevent the wheels flying off if an axle broke. They also had the worlds first passenger service booked to run at speeds over 100mph in the timetable (Over part of the journey. Not the whole journey). It was called "The Cheltenham Flyer".
They also had the most powerful passenger express loco built in its day desite being a small size. (Actually two locos. The Castles came first and then came the King class which was basically an enlarged castle class with a larger boiler to give a tractive effort of 40,000 pounds. The USA was so impressed of the power output of the GWR locos that the first of the King class locos number 6000 "King George V" was shipped out to the USA to demonstrate its abilities and to share ideas etc. The USA fitted it with a bell. The only King class to have this bell. I saw it in 1987 as it came through here on a steam special .
The early days of the Great Western Railway had another unusual feature in that they used broad gauge. The broad gauge was 7ft wide but later was widened a quarter of an inch as express speeds increased above 60 mph (The GWR also were amongst the first to pass the 60 mph barrier). Tha advantage of broad gauge is that it was known to be very stable at high speed. Unfortunately most of the other railway companies chose the more popular 4ft 8 inch gauge which was later widened half an inch when speeds of trains increased. The slight widening of the gauge prevented issues when trains went round curves at speed. (They had heavy rail wear and widening the gauge prevented this as it gave the wheels a little slack which was jot an issue when they were running at low speeds, but 60 or more mph and it made a difference). Due to the incompatibility of using two different gauges, the GWR were eventually forced to drop their broad gauge and convert to standard gauge (4ft 8 1/2 inches). (Standard gauge was once called narrow gauge in the early years!)
The GWR had miles of track to convert and one stretch of line in the Cornwall area they converted 81 miles of broad gauge track to standard gauge in a single day! Not even today could this be done in such a short time!
Other famous firsts by the GWR was a tunnel under the sea which for many years was the longest tunnel in the world at 4 miles 836 yards long called the Severn Tunnel. (I did Severn tunnel training when I first worked on the railways as there were plans for my depot staff to work through to Bristol Temple Meads, but this never materialized).
The company was the first to adopt what was known as "Standardization" where their locomotives were made from standard parts. Due to this, one "Lost" class member when the steam era ended and all of a certain class were lost, a new loco was made from an entirely different class which shared the same parts, so the lost class of loco was brought back to life in recent years. I can't remember the class at the moment but it will come back to me. One of the 4-6-0's I believe as they used a 2-6-2T Prairie to make it... Ooh. I know which it was. The Grange class.
Locos absorbed into the GWR when "Grouping" took place in 1923 where all the little companies that formed the railway network became formed into just four big companies known as "The Big Four" which did not have standard parts were rebuilt in the GWR works at Swindon and became entirely new locos with new boilers. The term used was "Swindonized" amongst the enthusiasts!
Thank you for this abundant information on the Great Western Railway . And it descendants . And general history of the railway .
Did you know that the shape of the Great Western Railway locomotive boilers were specifically used to prevent boiler explosions if a locomotive hit and got wedged in a snowdrift? The GWR sent one of its engineers to Canada in the early years as they had developed a new boiler design to prevent a boiler explosion if a loco hit a snowdrift. What was happening is that when a steam locomotive hit a snowdrift and de-railed, the front of the boiler would dive down and the water would head towards the front, leaving the fire in the firebox heating fresh air and causing an explosion as the safety valve would not be enough to cater for it.
The Canadians started making their boilers in a conical shape so they were narrower in the front then compared to the rear with the idea being that the water in the boiler would always cover the heated area of the firebox due to the shape.
The Great Western Railway engineers were always the first to design for safety, and so they adopted the Canadian design. What surprized me was that the other railway companies that covered the colder northern UK areas like Scotland did not adopt this idea.
The GWR boilers were also part of their standard parts system and they would be referred to by number. For example the boiler number 9 was the largest and number one was the smallest.
The GWR also developed the pannier tank system of water tanks for their shunting locos as they could hold a greater water capacity then the curved saddle tanks, and yet they would allow easy acdess to te important lower parts of the locos so engine crew and depot crew could oil, inspect and work on them. Side tanks generally obscured such access so were only used if their greater water capacity was neccesary (E.g. on the various 2-6-2T and other designs).
I prefer a continuous run, which is what I currently have in 00 scale. Once I complete this 1940s layout based on wartime Llansteffan, with RAF base, using vintage display pieces and hand-made buildings/scenery etc, I hope to make a variety of layouts, some out of vintage suitcases in varying scales. The current layout can be lowered from the ceiling and is 6 x 4 in a craft/sewing/hobby room. There are some amazing end to end layouts out there too, not to mention garden railways!
I can look for pictures of things I make?
Okay good, that was what I was thinking. Yes I would prefer a continuous layout. If I ever have a house, I would like to set up a very realistic railway, with mountains, rivers, little towns, etc

I found this video of a really neat one. The owner is rich and hired people to build and maintain it

I found this video of a really neat one. The owner is rich and hired people to build and maintain it

That's my dream job!!
I have kind of done that but on a semi voluntry bases, as there is a garden railway I help with in exchange for the price of the accomodation to stay there. They like me as my model railway experience comes in useful and we get on well.
Since then our railways were privatized again and one of the new companies called itself First Great Western. It has since dropped the "First" part of its name which was used because it belonged to a parent company under the name "First", which called itself the "First Group", to become Great Western. So in a way we have a reformed company working over part of the routes that the old Great Western Railway once ran.
The old Great Western Railway as a compny were very forward thinking. They actually sent their engineers to travel the world looking for ideas to use on their locomotives and their railway. They had a few world records. The first train to pass 100 mph in 1904 (The railway tried to play it down as they did not want to publicize it, as it was thought that if a train or by any other means, one travveled over 100 mph one would die, so if word got out they would loose passengers). It was pulled by a loco built in 1903 called "The City Or Truro" which was one of a class of 4-4-0 locos with external frames. External frames were needed for safety as locomotives were made of iron in those days, and they once had a drive wheel axle break causing a wheel to come off at speed which killed people, so the GWR built these locos and several others with external frames to prevent the wheels flying off if an axle broke. They also had the worlds first passenger service booked to run at speeds over 100mph in the timetable (Over part of the journey. Not the whole journey). It was called "The Cheltenham Flyer".
They also had the most powerful passenger express loco built in its day desite being a small size. (Actually two locos. The Castles came first and then came the King class which was basically an enlarged castle class with a larger boiler to give a tractive effort of 40,000 pounds. The USA was so impressed of the power output of the GWR locos that the first of the King class locos number 6000 "King George V" was shipped out to the USA to demonstrate its abilities and to share ideas etc. The USA fitted it with a bell. The only King class to have this bell. I saw it in 1987 as it came through here on a steam special .
The early days of the Great Western Railway had another unusual feature in that they used broad gauge. The broad gauge was 7ft wide but later was widened a quarter of an inch as express speeds increased above 60 mph (The GWR also were amongst the first to pass the 60 mph barrier). Tha advantage of broad gauge is that it was known to be very stable at high speed. Unfortunately most of the other railway companies chose the more popular 4ft 8 inch gauge which was later widened half an inch when speeds of trains increased. The slight widening of the gauge prevented issues when trains went round curves at speed. (They had heavy rail wear and widening the gauge prevented this as it gave the wheels a little slack which was jot an issue when they were running at low speeds, but 60 or more mph and it made a difference). Due to the incompatibility of using two different gauges, the GWR were eventually forced to drop their broad gauge and convert to standard gauge (4ft 8 1/2 inches). (Standard gauge was once called narrow gauge in the early years!)
The GWR had miles of track to convert and one stretch of line in the Cornwall area they converted 81 miles of broad gauge track to standard gauge in a single day! Not even today could this be done in such a short time!
Other famous firsts by the GWR was a tunnel under the sea which for many years was the longest tunnel in the world at 4 miles 836 yards long called the Severn Tunnel. (I did Severn tunnel training when I first worked on the railways as there were plans for my depot staff to work through to Bristol Temple Meads, but this never materialized).
The company was the first to adopt what was known as "Standardization" where their locomotives were made from standard parts. Due to this, one "Lost" class member when the steam era ended and all of a certain class were lost, a new loco was made from an entirely different class which shared the same parts, so the lost class of loco was brought back to life in recent years. I can't remember the class at the moment but it will come back to me. One of the 4-6-0's I believe as they used a 2-6-2T Prairie to make it... Ooh. I know which it was. The Grange class.
Locos absorbed into the GWR when "Grouping" took place in 1923 where all the little companies that formed the railway network became formed into just four big companies known as "The Big Four" which did not have standard parts were rebuilt in the GWR works at Swindon and became entirely new locos with new boilers. The term used was "Swindonized" amongst the enthusiasts!
Thank you for this abundant information on the Great Western Railway . And it descendants . And general history of the railway .
Did you know that the shape of the Great Western Railway locomotive boilers were specifically used to prevent boiler explosions if a locomotive hit and got wedged in a snowdrift? The GWR sent one of its engineers to Canada in the early years as they had developed a new boiler design to prevent a boiler explosion if a loco hit a snowdrift. What was happening is that when a steam locomotive hit a snowdrift and de-railed, the front of the boiler would dive down and the water would head towards the front, leaving the fire in the firebox heating fresh air and causing an explosion as the safety valve would not be enough to cater for it.
The Canadians started making their boilers in a conical shape so they were narrower in the front then compared to the rear with the idea being that the water in the boiler would always cover the heated area of the firebox due to the shape.
The Great Western Railway engineers were always the first to design for safety, and so they adopted the Canadian design. What surprized me was that the other railway companies that covered the colder northern UK areas like Scotland did not adopt this idea.
The GWR boilers were also part of their standard parts system and they would be referred to by number. For example the boiler number 9 was the largest and number one was the smallest.
The GWR also developed the pannier tank system of water tanks for their shunting locos as they could hold a greater water capacity then the curved saddle tanks, and yet they would allow easy acdess to te important lower parts of the locos so engine crew and depot crew could oil, inspect and work on them. Side tanks generally obscured such access so were only used if their greater water capacity was neccesary (E.g. on the various 2-6-2T and other designs).
The ingenuity sounds amazing ....... brilliant thinking on the part GWRdesigners , you have tremendous information on these various types of Engines , thank you very much .
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The GWR Grange class was an interesting mixed traffic loco. It was designed to be used as a general purpose engine that cojld be used on both passenger and freight use.
The mystery behind the grange class which I believe had at least 30 locos was that when they went to scrap them they dissapeared from all records. The entire class along with many 9F heavy freight locos.
Then some interesting tales started emerging where train crew that were towing trains of engies to the scrap yards were relieved at a signal box and a mystery new loco crew (The train crew would have met everyone as part of their job as even other nearby depot staff they would know, but the traincrew that took over they had not seen before which was highly unusual, as they would have had to come to them officially to learn the route) took over the train and they were never seen again. The loco crew was given the rest of the day off with full pay.
Now the mystery deepens as 118 locos dissapeared in this way which include some of the best examples and the most useful. The theory behind the dissapearance is that the government of their day used military traincrew to hide the locos in tunnels somewhere so they could use them in an emergency as one thing about the UK is parts of it have a plentiful supply of coal.
Now I happen to know a littlw bit more which may add to this mystery. I was told from a railworker who was fairly close to retirement how when he was younger and first employed, they had to lift the track from a branchline. This was not unusual because it was during the time of the "Beeching cuts" where many such lines that were loosing money were being closed and the track was lifted and scrapped.
Now what was unusual about this line was a few years later they were told to relay it with new track. Ok he thought as now they would have rail connection as at the other end of the line it was once a major port but all that was down there after another port took over elsewhere was a military base and a few old military storage base which was at one time used as part of the port and I saw mentioned about a different local military base with railway access that there were listed more tun els then the base had, and it gave reference to some being in the location of the port. (I found this out myself from examining old railway history which is something I happen to love).
Well. The new track was layed which was just over four miles, and what was interesting was the track was only there for a week or two before they were told to take it up again. The entire branch.
So could these locomotives have been stored in the tunnels?
I am familiar with at least one O gage model I've seen which is a Christmas themed streetcar [trolley] which hit a bumper at one end of the track and automatically reverses to go back in the other direction again, etc. I used to run my O-27 Lionel loco in a wide figure-8 shaped track around the Christmas tree to accommodate room for decorations and presents beneath the tree as well. Much of that O-27 track was damaged between moves over the years, and I've never replaced it. I'm sure that the engine still runs, though. I have a new circle of track as of this year for my various HO engines and rolling stock, but eventually want to build an HO layout in the other side of our 2-car garage Don't plan on ever having a second car, so....

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The mystery behind the grange class which I believe had at least 30 locos was that when they went to scrap them they dissapeared from all records. The entire class along with many 9F heavy freight locos.
Then some interesting tales started emerging where train crew that were towing trains of engies to the scrap yards were relieved at a signal box and a mystery new loco crew (The train crew would have met everyone as part of their job as even other nearby depot staff they would know, but the traincrew that took over they had not seen before which was highly unusual, as they would have had to come to them officially to learn the route) took over the train and they were never seen again. The loco crew was given the rest of the day off with full pay.
Now the mystery deepens as 118 locos dissapeared in this way which include some of the best examples and the most useful. The theory behind the dissapearance is that the government of their day used military traincrew to hide the locos in tunnels somewhere so they could use them in an emergency as one thing about the UK is parts of it have a plentiful supply of coal.
Now I happen to know a littlw bit more which may add to this mystery. I was told from a railworker who was fairly close to retirement how when he was younger and first employed, they had to lift the track from a branchline. This was not unusual because it was during the time of the "Beeching cuts" where many such lines that were loosing money were being closed and the track was lifted and scrapped.
Now what was unusual about this line was a few years later they were told to relay it with new track. Ok he thought as now they would have rail connection as at the other end of the line it was once a major port but all that was down there after another port took over elsewhere was a military base and a few old military storage base which was at one time used as part of the port and I saw mentioned about a different local military base with railway access that there were listed more tun els then the base had, and it gave reference to some being in the location of the port. (I found this out myself from examining old railway history which is something I happen to love).
Well. The new track was layed which was just over four miles, and what was interesting was the track was only there for a week or two before they were told to take it up again. The entire branch.
So could these locomotives have been stored in the tunnels?
That's a compellingly fascinating story! I have read one about an eccentric in California who buried an antique motor car in a shed [yes, literally buried completely underground]. It was discovered and hauled up years later in pretty good condition, considering. We have various stories about the US military which have similar mysterious overtones. One of my favourite stories about British railway history was the one about the speed record set by LNER's A4 Mallard. It's still remarkable to me that a steamer could ever attain as much as 203 kph [126 mph]! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Clas ... 68_Mallard
I've never even driven a car that fast! [though one time a friend of mine reached around 132 mph in his BMW before slowing down] I've always adored the deco and streamliner steamers quite a bit. I have always wanted to model the 1936-era Mercury from New York Central railway. It's the pinnacle of transportation achievement of the art deco era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(train)
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