it was 40 years ago today... [john lennon remembrance]

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09 Dec 2020, 7:36 pm

not that i'd do the foul deed but nobody will know my middle name :twisted:

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10 Dec 2020, 12:45 am

I was working in a Factory at the time, I remember someone saying they heard that John Lennon was shot.
it was horrible to think someone who was supposed to be a fan would do that. :evil: especially when he just signed his name to that person's copy of his record.

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10 Dec 2020, 12:48 am

in 1965, lennon was quoted as saying "We'll either go in a plane crash or we'll be popped off by some loony."

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10 Dec 2020, 4:06 am

I was about 9 months old at the time, so I don't remember obviously. Major loss for sure.

Elton John did do a song called Empty Garden as a tribute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyy7Huc6KA

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10 Dec 2020, 4:09 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:

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John Wilkes Boothe.

Yeah. Never noticed that before.

Back in the day a humorist pointed out that guys who got involved in Watergate tended to go by their first initial plus middle and last name.

E. Howard Hunt. G. Gordon Liddy.

It's interesting because before the assassination of Lincoln, Booth was often billed as J. Wilkes Booth when he appeared in stage productions.

I wonder if it was Booth's murder of Lincoln that began the trend of referring to assassins by their full name. Plus, it takes away a little stigma if the first and last name alone are commonplace. I don't think Mark David Chapman put much emphasis on his middle name himself. But think of all the possible Mark Chapmans out there who'd forever be linked to someone with their namesake. Adding the David makes it less ambiguous.

James Ray might have been a somewhat common name, so adding the Earl in their helps clarify things, etc.

If you murdered someone famous tomorrow, we'd all know YOUR full name even if you don't even write your middle initial now.

I was thinking about that too. That the media of the time, and later historians (of subsequent generations), will add that middle name so that the perpetrator of the heinous crime has a more distinct name. And so can be distinquished from all of the normal guys of the time and later of the same name. Trouble with that theory is that we dont do that with serial killers so much. Yes...there was John Wayne Gayce, but...we dont bother with the middle names of Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Daumier, or Kevin Bianchi.

So I dunno.

In the case of John Wilkes Boothe: the Boothe family was a major showbiz dynasty of actors in theater (the Kirk Douglas Dynasty, or the Lionel/Drew Barrymore dynasty of his time. And his famous actor dad was also named John. So thats why he needed to be billed with all three names in his own time-to distinquish himself from his charismatic famous kin competitors.

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10 Dec 2020, 4:17 am

auntblabby wrote:

i wonder what it says about those crooks that they like initialing their first name and including their middle? that they are pretentious psychopaths?

"L. Ron Hubbard"(founder of Scientology)?

A sociopath if there ever was one!

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10 Dec 2020, 6:25 am

auntblabby wrote:

i will admit that there were other people who i had wished were gone in his place.

You do realise that lennon was a total hypocrite, right?
I might be able to find that expose if you like.

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10 Dec 2020, 6:26 am

naturalplastic wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

i wonder what it says about those crooks that they like initialing their first name and including their middle? that they are pretentious psychopaths?

"L. Ron Hubbard"(founder of Scientology)?

A sociopath if there ever was one!

Probably a psychopath, rather than a sociopath.

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10 Dec 2020, 6:29 am

naturalplastic wrote:

He wasn't actually billed with all three names. He'd do the same as the Watergate guys, use his first initial, write out his more unique middle name. There is no silent E at the end of BOOTH.

I don't think it's just about the heinous nature of a crime or murder in general. It's specifically used for an assassin (which in these scenarios simply means the murderer of a famous person). Since that famous person is frequently mentioned and cited (Lincoln, JFK, MLK) their assassin's name will also be attached to to them in the history books. The assassin becomes the evil villain who concludes the story of their lives.

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10 Dec 2020, 6:51 am

Pepe wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

i wonder what it says about those crooks that they like initialing their first name and including their middle? that they are pretentious psychopaths?

"L. Ron Hubbard"(founder of Scientology)?

A psychopath if there ever was one!

Probably a psychopath, rather than a sociopath.

Yeah I meant psychopath.

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10 Dec 2020, 9:30 am

Pepe wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

i will admit that there were other people who i had wished were gone in his place.

You do realise that lennon was a total hypocrite, right?
I might be able to find that expose if you like.

he was far from perfect but he was evolving towards the light, that is what made his murder especially tragic.

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