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20 Apr 2021, 4:33 pm

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We are in the midst of a plague.

Whoa whoa easy there... We should all keep taking preventative measures, definitely, but no, we're not in the midst of a plague. This is just the nature of a pandemic. It's a virus that nobody had immunity to a year ago. There is nothing surprising about vaccines not working 100%, especially when they have been developed so quickly. Reinfection rates (with the same mutation at least) seem very limited, and, again, there is nothing surprising about mutations popping up. Research and vaccine development have been taking it into account since the beginning. mRNA vaccines in particular are designed to be easily adaptable.

The two things that define the pandemic as the huge problem that it is are 1) nobody had immunity to it when it started, and 2) it can spread asymptomatically. That was the case at the beginning and it's still the case now. Other factors can complicate it, but those are the two factors that dwarf all the other ones. Once those two things are under control ("[some] immunity" and "[less] spread"), everything else is a matter of long-term management, not so much a "pandemic" anymore. Definitely not "a plague" in any case, that's for sure.


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20 Apr 2021, 5:06 pm

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It's still very rare for a fully-vaccinated person to catch COVID.


They can catch it still but it is very rare for them to become too affected by the virus, and will be like having a cold or something. So why do government need to continue to control, isolate and instil fear into everybody?


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20 Apr 2021, 5:41 pm

Joe90 wrote:
They can catch it still but it is very rare for them to become too affected by the virus, and will be like having a cold or something. So why do government need to continue to control, isolate and instil fear into everybody?

The UK seems to be a very exceptional case, so I don't really know what's going on there or not right now. Keep an eye on what reputable sources say about it (including sources not associated with the government, if possible), and when in doubt err on the side of caution.

That said, it does seem pretty obvious that the UK government's response to the pandemic has been haphazard at best. Kinda hard to build trust with the population that way. And the things I've heard about recent anti-protest laws and such in the UK seem... um... not good. The government seems to be preparing to react to (likely inevitable) discontent in the near future with less-than-ideal measures.


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20 Apr 2021, 11:53 pm

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So why do government need to continue to control, isolate and instil fear into everybody?

Probably because not enough people have antibodies yet to ease restrictions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833


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21 Apr 2021, 1:36 am

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This. The whole world hiding away from a virus that everyone should have some sort of immunity to one day is just going to turn everybody into snowflakes and make our immune systems even weaker because nobody will be exposed to any other germs.
We've tackled other deadly diseases with vaccines and life has gone on as normal, so why shouldn't it be the same with this?


Maybe I misspoke, but I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. We should definitely listen to public health officials and implement restrictions they recommend. I'm just saying that nobody has presented evidence that this specific outbreak is the one that will hurt our civil liberties forever. Why now instead of the Spanish Flu? We've implemented restrictions and we need to follow them until the emergency is under control. We probably should've done more, earlier, and we would have moved on from this covid nonsense by now.



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21 Apr 2021, 3:42 am

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This. The whole world hiding away from a virus that everyone should have some sort of immunity to one day is just going to turn everybody into snowflakes and make our immune systems even weaker because nobody will be exposed to any other germs.
We've tackled other deadly diseases with vaccines and life has gone on as normal, so why shouldn't it be the same with this?


Maybe I misspoke, but I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. We should definitely listen to public health officials and implement restrictions they recommend. I'm just saying that nobody has presented evidence that this specific outbreak is the one that will hurt our civil liberties forever. Why now instead of the Spanish Flu? We've implemented restrictions and we need to follow them until the emergency is under control. We probably should've done more, earlier, and we would have moved on from this covid nonsense by now.


But people on WP keep saying that nothing will be the same again, meaning we will have to keep 2 metres apart from others not in the same household forever and always wear a mask in public for the rest of our lives. I don't mind wearing a mask for now during the pandemic but the thought of having to wear one every time I go out, even in 20 years time, is depressing.


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21 Apr 2021, 4:03 am

I hope it doesnt last forever either im getting pretty sick of arguing with passengers on my bus to wear their masks every day and being abused when i cant let people on the bus if the capacity is full


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21 Apr 2021, 5:29 am

I hope the two metre thing stays forever.

It's basic good manners and should've always been the case.

I am fed up of going to big cities and being bumped into and of course the 'good manners' thing NTs want then is for you to be the one who says sorry too.

Bumping into people is rude and hurts.


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21 Apr 2021, 6:14 am

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I hope the two metre thing stays forever.

It's basic good manners and should've always been the case.

I am fed up of going to big cities and being bumped into and of course the 'good manners' thing NTs want then is for you to be the one who says sorry too.

Bumping into people is rude and hurts.


Well I admit I don't like strangers standing in my space when I'm trying to look for items in a store, it's so distracting and just agitates me. But with friends and family I don't want to have to stand away from them forever. And it will be horrible having a limit of how many people are allowed in a room or are allowed to have a conversation at a time.


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21 Apr 2021, 7:50 am

The solar system contains seven billion people

Anyone can say anything

The pandemic unprecedented

Not everyone made factually correct predictions

In some locations, schools already open

Your location might be in a different tier

But that doesn't guarantee that nothing will ever reopen

Some people love to exaggerate for emphasis

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22 Apr 2021, 2:27 am

This comment is from an American perspective. In countries where they wear masks all the time, they seem to have way higher population density (at least in the urban areas) and way poorer public health in general than we do. So the average person has to be way more careful with disease. America is not China, I don't see any reason why we can't take the masks off when things are under control.

That being said, some extra caution with disease is always good. Of all the possibilities doomsday preppers like to rant about, the outbreak of a deadly disease is a serious concern. We got lucky that covid really wasn't that bad, compared to Spanish Flu or something. But this will not be the last viral outbreak in human history, we need to learn our lessons and do better next time.



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22 Apr 2021, 4:23 am

I understand if people will want to continue to wear a mask after the pandemic but it will just be unpleasant if the wearing of masks of legally required because it will just feel like a dictatorship. I'd rather choose to wear a mask than be forced to wear one.

Before this pandemic you wouldn't be seen dead wearing a mask out in public, because it was just socially unacceptable, at least in the UK. It was just so unusual to wear a mask, that people would stare and think there was something wrong with you. So it'd be nice if the wearing of masks would remain socially acceptable.


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22 Apr 2021, 10:37 am

I can understand chris89 i would weep too. I don't think they'll do more lockdowns or if they do, maybe a couple of months during the winter season, as hinted,however more people are rebelling and protesting, they can't offer furlough schemes or help the homeless or those in debt, the economy bad.

Theirs always going to be variants of colds and viruses and not all vaccines are efficient. they can't contain it and life will have to continue. So many people are vaccinated which is what they wanted too.

I think they should keep to the sanitising trolleys and i like the idea of people being distant in shops so theirs no cutting across or pushing and shoving but to me that was heaven.



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22 Apr 2021, 12:43 pm

I hope they don't do more lockdowns during winter months because Christmas falls in the winter and we might as well not celebrate it if we can't go and spend the holidays with our families. That's what Christmas is all about.
They just cannot police everybody during a time of the year as special as Christmas.

I don't blame people for protesting. The UK is a free country, and to be dictated of who we can and can't see and where we can and can't go is not freedom, deadly virus or no deadly virus.

It reminds me of a question we were asked one time at school in a philosophy class, it was one of those "would you rather" questions we had to discuss. It went something like "would you rather live you life but take risks doing so or be protected forever but not live your life?" (The "live" was not in a "death" context, it was in a "experience" context).


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22 Apr 2021, 1:04 pm

I know, many people here in The USA will never accept face masks as a permanent thing. I know I sure as hell won't


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22 Apr 2021, 3:41 pm

Joe90 wrote:

Well I admit I don't like strangers standing in my space when I'm trying to look for items in a store, it's so distracting and just agitates me. But with friends and family I don't want to have to stand away from them forever. And it will be horrible having a limit of how many people are allowed in a room or are allowed to have a conversation at a time.


Hopefully once everyone has a vaccine they will be able to change it so it's not a limit on which people.

Atm it's still household & bubble, right?

That will be a change if they change that.


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