What keeps you up at night?
goldfish21
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I get my second wind when the sun goes down. I'd rather sleep during daylight.
Part of why I have this schedule nowadays is cuz I'm living with my girlfriend & she has weird fluctuating sleep & wake schedules. She generally likes having time to herself for a couple hours when she 1st wakes up. She likes spending time with me before she goes to bed in the early morning. She also tends to take a nap after being up a couple hours & that can make things more complicated. It works better if I go to bed a couple hours after she goes to bed in the early morning & when I wake up I just stay up till a couple hours after she goes to bed in the early morning.
I don't have much problems falling asleep & staying asleep nowadays but there were various times in my life when I did. The main cause was emotional stuff like my depression, OCD, & anxiety that were very bad. I was also very lonely & hated being single & sleeping alone. & when I wasn't single, being in a long distance relationship was very difficult as well & i hated being away from them & sleeping alone. I had some sleep disorders that were acting up including Sleep Paralysis & Night Terrors. I'm much better off in a serious romantic relationship that is not long distance. Being on the psych meds I'm on helps my OCD & anxiety a lot & probably my depression as well. Tiredness/drowsiness is also a potential side-effect of my meds.
Wow its good you found some things that help tho and a good relationship. Hope you can keep up the progress
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Insomnia for no reason I can determine. Not usually any anxiety or racing thoughts or anything, I just can’t sleep, even if I’m tired. I’m guaranteed less than half an hour total of sleep a night if I don’t take medication (10mg melatonin and presently 200mg of doxapen, every so often I have to change meds because the last one quit working, then have to try several to find something that does work). Doesn’t matter how tired I am, how little sleep I’ve gotten the night before (or the night before that, or the one before that. Probably sometime I’ll try testing how long it takes for my body to finally wear itself out enough to sleep without meds, I don’t know and am curious.), how calm my mind is, how strictly I follow all the usual “sleep hygiene” recommendations… Even with medication it occasionally happens for a few nights.
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I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
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I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
Its actually pretty good for sleep they have practices on YouTube. I often use mental techniques to sleep like traveling to a star or imagining a scenario of your choice?
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I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
Its actually pretty good for sleep they have practices on YouTube. I often use mental techniques to sleep like traveling to a star or imagining a scenario of your choice?
Guided imagery? I’ve done that for relaxation but not for sleep. Often I’ll put on an ASMR video on YouTube, that helps me at least get to a state between being fully awake and fully asleep, which is at least somewhat restorative for me (though I’m sure actual sleep would be better).
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Yet in my new wildness and freedom I almost welcome the bitterness of alienage. For although nepenthe has calmed me, I know always that I am an outsider; a stranger in this century and among those who are still men.
-H. P. Lovecraft, "The Outsider"
I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
Its actually pretty good for sleep they have practices on YouTube. I often use mental techniques to sleep like traveling to a star or imagining a scenario of your choice?
Guided imagery? I’ve done that for relaxation but not for sleep. Often I’ll put on an ASMR video on YouTube, that helps me at least get to a state between being fully awake and fully asleep, which is at least somewhat restorative for me (though I’m sure actual sleep would be better).
That could be where the issue is you see sleep and relaxation as totally separate.it is a crucial part of sleep actually. Even if you could just relax the entire night you would be better off than no sleep at all. Or know that we are not supposed to sleep the entire night but in cycles actually. We are supposed to wake up and go back to sleep it's normal.
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dragonsanddemons
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I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
Its actually pretty good for sleep they have practices on YouTube. I often use mental techniques to sleep like traveling to a star or imagining a scenario of your choice?
Guided imagery? I’ve done that for relaxation but not for sleep. Often I’ll put on an ASMR video on YouTube, that helps me at least get to a state between being fully awake and fully asleep, which is at least somewhat restorative for me (though I’m sure actual sleep would be better).
That could be where the issue is you see sleep and relaxation as totally separate.it is a crucial part of sleep actually. Even if you could just relax the entire night you would be better off than no sleep at all. Or know that we are not supposed to sleep the entire night but in cycles actually. We are supposed to wake up and go back to sleep it's normal.
I know that the ASMR helps because it helps me relax. And I can feel myself relax when I turn on the white noise machine I’ve been using at night for years, probably because my body associates it with sleep now. Relaxation can happen without sleep (which is how I’ve done the guided imagery), but sleep can’t happen (naturally) without relaxation. And yeah, relaxing is definitely better than nothing, I know from experience. I’d forgotten that about the natural human sleep pattern, that is good to point out. But my main problem is getting to sleep at all to begin with.
I’m not meaning to sound contrary or anything, I do appreciate the advice
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Yet in my new wildness and freedom I almost welcome the bitterness of alienage. For although nepenthe has calmed me, I know always that I am an outsider; a stranger in this century and among those who are still men.
-H. P. Lovecraft, "The Outsider"
I haven’t looked into alternative medicine specifically. I did do yoga for a while, though not with the direct intent of improving sleep.
Its actually pretty good for sleep they have practices on YouTube. I often use mental techniques to sleep like traveling to a star or imagining a scenario of your choice?
Guided imagery? I’ve done that for relaxation but not for sleep. Often I’ll put on an ASMR video on YouTube, that helps me at least get to a state between being fully awake and fully asleep, which is at least somewhat restorative for me (though I’m sure actual sleep would be better).
That could be where the issue is you see sleep and relaxation as totally separate.it is a crucial part of sleep actually. Even if you could just relax the entire night you would be better off than no sleep at all. Or know that we are not supposed to sleep the entire night but in cycles actually. We are supposed to wake up and go back to sleep it's normal.
I know that the ASMR helps because it helps me relax. And I can feel myself relax when I turn on the white noise machine I’ve been using at night for years, probably because my body associates it with sleep now. Relaxation can happen without sleep (which is how I’ve done the guided imagery), but sleep can’t happen (naturally) without relaxation. And yeah, relaxing is definitely better than nothing, I know from experience. I’d forgotten that about the natural human sleep pattern, that is good to point out. But my main problem is getting to sleep at all to begin with.
I’m not meaning to sound contrary or anything, I do appreciate the advice
That's ok I believe you have all the tools its just a matter of using them.and training your mind and body. You absolutely are capable of it. I understand you have tried many things, but the combination of two things you have tried before, or applying something you've tried before in a different way can yield different results. Most certainly, you have power over your mind by telling yourself relaxation is sleep you can force a change in the way you think about sleep it's also a mindset thing.
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goldfish21
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