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05 Apr 2022, 2:30 pm

leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that


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05 Apr 2022, 2:31 pm

Joe90 wrote:
...Sometimes political correctness can become overused, like it does on this site...

Can you even define "political correctness" or give examples of it? What behaviours on this site are an example of "political correctness" being overused?

It honestly seems like to me that when people on here complain about "political correctness", they either flat out don't understand an issue and the topic about it, yet somehow feel as if they need to comment on it, or just want to stifle discussion about something they don't agree with. People whinging about "political correctness" as if it fixes anything or will immediately stop a discussion they don't like is the actual issue here.



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05 Apr 2022, 2:33 pm

Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that

I'm honestly tired of seeing people on here, not just her, blindly whine about "political correctness", and I'll freely comment on peoples behaviour on a public forum if and when I feel the need to.



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05 Apr 2022, 2:36 pm

Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that
These seem to be guidelines for Americans - what formerly common behaviors should be discontinued.
I can understand why such guidelines may look odd and unnecessary to Brits.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:41 pm

Political correctness appears to mean "don't say certain things to/about certain people of certain skin colours otherwise you are a racist".

I don't understand why the hell white people treated black people like that in the past for. I mean, weren't black people actually here before us dumb white people? No, no, before you get excited, I didn't mean that in a racist way, I mean it factually - didn't human society actually originate in Africa and other countries like that, before countries like the UK or other northern/western areas? Please don't accuse me as being racist for asking this, as it's just an innocent question and I'm not being disrespectful by asking it.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:44 pm

Where white men enslaved by black people here in the U.S for decades, and called things like 'boy' to remind them of their lower place? I don't think so...though whites did enslave blacks and use demeaning terms like that for them, so one can probably see why that's more deeply offensive.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:45 pm

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that

I'm honestly tired of seeing people on here, not just her, blindly whine about "political correctness", and I'll freely comment on peoples behaviour on a public forum if and when I feel the need to.


As long as you comment on other people who whine about political correctness and not just me then it's OK.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:48 pm

magz wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that
These seem to be guidelines for Americans - what formerly common behaviors should be discontinued.
I can understand why such guidelines may look odd and unnecessary to Brits.


This is probably true. What I say here is usually like an echo chamber from NTs that I talk to. If I had posted what I'd wrote in my first post in this thread on the British forums that I use (not autism-related), I probably would have got everyone knowing what I mean.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:48 pm

Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that


It's probably worthwhile to explain what the problem is for those who don't get it.

It's also probably worthwhile to unpack some of the reflexive defences used to justify not getting it.

As you say, she's not the only one who thinks like that so it shouldn't be approached as though she's personally responsible for people holding those views but that doesn't mean those views should left unchallenged.

HoH is exactly right to point out how the tactic of dismissing perspectives one doesn't want to have to consider as political correctness is exhausting to see. The term gets used so people don't have to consider and risk empathizing with perspectives they don't consider meaningful.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:51 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I don't understand why the hell white people treated black people like that in the past for. I mean, weren't black people actually here before us dumb white people? No, no, before you get excited, I didn't mean that in a racist way, I mean it factually -


By the belief system I follow, hell, in a way, figures in to the answer as to why; the root of, the origin of, racism is within the effects of sin. We humans in all our various shapes and colors were/are a wonderful creation of God and 'The Accuser' was given access to this world and actively works to destroy or at least distort and corrupt everything in this world. So, if 'The Accuser' can influence humans to hate each other, devalue each other, abuse each other, kill each other, then he essentially spits in the eye of God. And if that accuser can influence those who proclaim themselves as following God to do racist activity in the name of God then he doubly spits in the eye of God.


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05 Apr 2022, 2:53 pm

Joe90 wrote:
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
leave joe90 alone she ain't the only one in this thread who thinks like that

I'm honestly tired of seeing people on here, not just her, blindly whine about "political correctness", and I'll freely comment on peoples behaviour on a public forum if and when I feel the need to.


As long as you comment on other people who whine about political correctness and not just me then it's OK.


To be fair, sometimes people snap and the person who catches their criticism is just the person who did that annoyance recently.

That said, the more consistently the political correctness card gets challenged the better because usually if there's genuine substance to the criticism the person can articulate it better than just using a jargon term and hoping they've explained their thoughts enough to be persuasive.


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06 Apr 2022, 12:10 am

Joe90 wrote:
Political correctness appears to mean "don't say certain things to/about certain people of certain skin colours otherwise you are a racist".

I don't understand why the hell white people treated black people like that in the past for. I mean, weren't black people actually here before us dumb white people? No, no, before you get excited, I didn't mean that in a racist way, I mean it factually - didn't human society actually originate in Africa and other countries like that, before countries like the UK or other northern/western areas? Please don't accuse me as being racist for asking this, as it's just an innocent question and I'm not being disrespectful by asking it.


I've heard Black African have pure homosapien genes whereas European Whites are part neanderthal



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06 Apr 2022, 12:33 am

Black Boy spices was a thing some yrs ago , it was never intended as racist but everything has to be under the microscope these days.....i never once heard anyone talk racist about it



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06 Apr 2022, 5:45 am

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Oh for goodness sake the world has become absolutely ridiculous.

When people call me "girl" do I give a s**t? No, because I have bigger problems to worry about.


Its not crazy. Its not a NEW thing (its a century old rule). And its not rocket science.

In the old south Whites would shout orders to adult middle aged Black men - and address them as "boy". "Hey Boy. Fetch me my luggage." This was during slavery, and afterward during Jim Crow. Ergo Whites cant address adult Black men as "boy".

Apparently it was much the same in Apartheid South Africa.

But in England, where everyone was White, until recently, it did not, and still does not, matter. And in America White men can call each other "boy".

The phrase "hey man" was spawned in the Twenties among jazz musicians because of the taboo against saying "boy". Though its been the convention in Spanish for centuries to call someone "hombre". Chico and hombre are fine in the Spanish speaking world.



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06 Apr 2022, 6:14 am

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A white man must never refer to a black man as a boy or address them as "boy". To do so is a serious crime. Or this is what I have heard.

What if a black man does the same to a white man? Is it nearly as offensive? Apparently not. Well, maybe if they say "white boy", but otherwise no.


So does this mean a white woman can say whatever they want to a black man?

#everydaysexism by the OP



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06 Apr 2022, 6:36 am

Joe90 wrote:
I automatically treat a black person as I would a white person because we're all equally PEOPLE. That also means I don't change my vocabulary depending on the colour skin of a person. Because in my eyes they are just another person.

Sometimes political correctness can become overused, like it does on this site.

A driver not letting a person on the bus because of the colour of their skin is racist and disgusting, in my opinion. A driver not letting a person on the bus because they're being a threat to other passengers on the bus, regardless of their colour skin, is not racist, but if the trouble-maker happens to be black (not saying black people are more likely to be trouble-makers) then the whole world names and shames the driver for being racist.

Everyone should be treated equally. Nobody should be more privileged just because of the colour of their skin. That's the way I see it.

EDIT: And no, I don't agree with how black people were treated in the past. But they were being treated differently because of the colour of their skin. I'm talking about treating everyone the same.


Thats all fine and dandy. And it probably doesnt matter in the UK. But if you visit the USA- you might wanna be careful about. Thats all.