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10 Sep 2007, 7:06 pm

whats your situation like. im listening :)


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10 Sep 2007, 7:24 pm

So, what did they expect you to do - stop being AS because they said so? Morons.


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10 Sep 2007, 10:29 pm

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About the speed... really??? I've taken the stuff and loved it, I can dance for hours and hours and hours in high heels and never feel the pain or want to stop.


I can dance wildly without the speed. Always have when I was younger, not so much anymore.

Stimulants never seem to speed me up.
Supposedly, folks with ADD do better with amphetamines because they don't speed them up, but calm them down.
I don't know about that... all the meds and rec' drugs I have ever taken sucked no matter what they were supposed to do for me.

I have never liked the idea that I might not be in control of my brain.
I have no idea why, but I never got into drugs and alcohol for fun... or self-medication purposes either.
That's one reason why it took me ten years between ADD diagnosis to finally try out any drugs.
I didn't want to 'change into something else'.
Really, that was my biggest fear. Sorta like the guys in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" after shock therapy.



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10 Sep 2007, 11:04 pm

so are they saying you can't hold a "meaningful" job or you that you are unable to live alone?? Because technically there is a difference.


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11 Sep 2007, 10:14 am

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sarahstilettos wrote:

About the speed... really??? I've taken the stuff and loved it, I can dance for hours and hours and hours in high heels and never feel the pain or want to stop.


I can dance wildly without the speed. Always have when I was younger, not so much anymore.

Stimulants never seem to speed me up.
Supposedly, folks with ADD do better with amphetamines because they don't speed them up, but calm them down.
I don't know about that... all the meds and rec' drugs I have ever taken sucked no matter what they were supposed to do for me.

I have never liked the idea that I might not be in control of my brain.
I have no idea why, but I never got into drugs and alcohol for fun... or self-medication purposes either.
That's one reason why it took me ten years between ADD diagnosis to finally try out any drugs.
I didn't want to 'change into something else'.
Really, that was my biggest fear. Sorta like the guys in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" after shock therapy.




I remember feeling that really strongly as a teenager.
I only found out that I had AS recently, before that I thought not socialising was a flaw in my personality, this being the case I set out to correct it. Mainly with litres of vodka, only sometimes with the illegal stuff. The irony is that if a doctor tried to prescribe me something for AS I wouldn't want to take it. I know it's completely illogical.



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11 Sep 2007, 11:28 am

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so are they saying you can't hold a "meaningful" job or you that you are unable to live alone?? Because technically there is a difference.
get out of my dreams and into my car


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11 Sep 2007, 11:36 am

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so are they saying you can't hold a "meaningful" job or you that you are unable to live alone?? Because technically there is a difference.


From reading the report again, it could just mean living on your own but with 'assistance' from others.
Maybe just someone checking in from time-to-time to see that things are going okay, all the way to living in a group housing situation.

I have no idea.

Consider that whether someone has AS, ADD, Depression, Bi-Polar, whatever, they may struggle with some things in life that other's find easy and routine.
How many 'normal' folks do you think struggle day-to-day with simple issues also? Plenty! Just check the divorce rate for one example.

This certainly does not mean that the individual cannot keep themselves clean (you did mention you bathe :wink: ), fed, and find appropriate help when needed i.e. medical emergencies, plumbing disaster at home, etc.

Take the report and strip it down. How does what they are saying compare with how you are now functioning in life?
Even if you live at home currently (meaning with other family), this does not necessarily mean you aren't taking care of your needs/self.

Guess I'm just thinking out loud here.
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11 Sep 2007, 11:55 am

i can defintly live on my own. i just dont know if i can pay my utilites on time! last time aps said i was late paying my bill three times a year and i had no electricty for about two months. if you think thats bad i had no gas service for 4 months, but the only thing that ran on gas was the heater. wich means my showers were cold. what can i say? i'm a sportscard snob and spent all my money for utilities on them


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11 Sep 2007, 12:14 pm

Ahh, I see!

I usually have a few bills that I get two or three months behind on.
Haven't had any utilities turned off yet, but have gotten the threats to do so.

I find that things which are not immediately and directly impacting my life, but still require my attention... paying certain bills for example... are the things I forget most easily.

Insurance, for example. I have had more cancellation notices for my life and auto insurance than I care to think about.
I usually wind up paying extra fees to be re-instated, plus a HUGE amount of money to cover back payments I missed.
This then puts a strain on my finances for the other things.
But then, I can always eat less, keep the furnace off and live with a few more blankets, ride my bike more or even the bus instead of driving...

Spending money on something like sports cards sounds like something that you find hard to control. Is it?

I'm pretty impulsive and wind up buying stuff not only for myself, but for others as well.
My wife hated that. She's much better about money (although not always) and DEFINITELY more anal about it than me.

Now that I'm on my own, I get to do what I want with my money, so I have to try harder to be more careful about my spending.

Do you buy your cards from the same person/store? I really don't know much about buying/selling/collecting sports cards.



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11 Sep 2007, 12:17 pm

In my opinion reports can be used to judge where a person is as in relation to a "typical" person. They don't define a person. You can use it to see where you're at, and what coping skills one might need to attain. Since people with autism do things differently then a NT they often need a different way of doing things. Personally, I believe that even someone who is perceived to be severely autistic should be allowed to live on their own, but with the assistance that they need to do so. By past experience, and looking at your report you may need to develop a system that reminds you to pay your bills, or wash your dishes.
I'm sorry for the rant here, but I'm sick, and tired of society thinking that if someone who has trouble doing something that most people do easily that they are deficient somehow. Needing a different set of coping skills, and a different method of doing something is okay. The task in question still gets done, so what's the problem? I need to make a written list of items that I need to do each day, and number them by steps. I still get it all done, even if I have to take more steps to get there. By contrast, there are things that I can do effortlessly that a typical person may struggle with.



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11 Sep 2007, 12:22 pm

wsmac wrote:
Spending money on something like sports cards sounds like something that you find hard to control. Is it?
Do you buy your cards from the same person/store? I really don't know much about buying/selling/collecting sports cards.
yes. theres only one sporstcard shop here in flagstaff, the guy who owns it is named mark hes a pretty cool guy and almost everytime i see him wich is usually once a month we chitchat about ichiro and how nobody pays attention to his accomplishments in baseball


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11 Sep 2007, 12:31 pm

Flagstaff... I know where you are! :D umm, at least if there's not another Flagstaff in this country :?

My name's Mark... maybe I should check into this baseball card thing too! Naw, I've got too much already.

I'm sure this guy likes you buying/trading cards, but do you think he'd help set up some sort of arrangement so you could get the cards you want but not blow all your utility money on them so often?

I thought Ichiro was hot property currently... but then, I quit following sports way back, so I don't really know much about any of them.



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11 Sep 2007, 12:42 pm

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Flagstaff... I know where you are! :D umm, at least if there's not another Flagstaff in this country :?

My name's Mark... maybe I should check into this baseball card thing too! Naw, I've got too much already.

I'm sure this guy likes you buying/trading cards, but do you think he'd help set up some sort of arrangement so you could get the cards you want but not blow all your utility money on them so often?

I thought Ichiro was hot property currently... but then, I quit following sports way back, so I don't really know much about any of them.
So do you live in flagstaff Arizona? even if he did set up some kindof deal wheres i only bought ichiro rookies i would sabatoge it and buy every sportscard i could get for my doller. haha. :?

ichiro is not underrated but nobody gives him mad hops son!! hes too good though, i suspect when he breaks the 8 consecutive seasons with 200 or more hits he will finally be able to get the attention he deserves. :D


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11 Sep 2007, 1:51 pm

serenity wrote:
In my opinion reports can be used to judge where a person is as in relation to a "typical" person. They don't define a person. You can use it to see where you're at, and what coping skills one might need to attain.



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I'm sorry for the rant here, but I'm sick, and tired of society thinking that if someone who has trouble doing something that most people do easily that they are deficient somehow.


I'm glad you put typical in parentheses, and 'rant-on!', this is the place for that isn't it? :D

I wish our society would get away from the idea that we have to measure individuals against 'the group', in everything.

When it comes to things like AS and ADD, the individuals would be better measured against themselves.
Meaning, do you meet your needs? Do you find ways to cope when you find out you cannot do things in the manner of others, but wish you could?

I guess it is 'beating a dead horse', so-to-speak, but I agree that the way people are measured as deficient is way too faulty a system, and we'd be better served by measuring the positives, the "is able to", etc.

The whole DSM is set up to define failure, not success. I wish we could throw that particular book away!

My Rant... is... now... over! :wink:



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11 Sep 2007, 1:55 pm

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So do you live in flagstaff Arizona? even if he did set up some kindof deal wheres i only bought ichiro rookies i would sabatoge it and buy every sportscard i could get for my doller. haha. :?

ichiro is not underrated but nobody gives him mad hops son!! hes too good though, i suspect when he breaks the 8 consecutive seasons with 200 or more hits he will finally be able to get the attention he deserves. :D


Naw, I have been through there many times though. I now live in California, which is quite a departure from the places I've lived before. I have always thought that living in Northern Arizona could be nice after my daughter graduates from High School.

I was just thinking that maybe if you started collecting dead presidents instead of sports players... 8) ... but then with all the dollar bills you were collecting, "Hmm, I've got a Washington and a Jackson, I just need a Hamilton and a Franklin to complete my collection!", you would still probably not spend any of them on your utilities. :D



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11 Sep 2007, 2:07 pm

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Since people with autism do things differently
i would disagree, they dont have the skills nts have, its not a matter of doing things differently its a matter of if i dont have the skills to do it, theres no way for me to do it. also i think most autistics would chose to have normal coping skills, life would be so much easier, you know :wink:


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looking at your report you may need to develop a system that reminds you to pay your bills, or wash your dishes.
says who? what if im happy with the way things are going? and why should i change for someone else?


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so what's the problem? I need to make a written list of items that I need to do each day, and number them by steps. I still get it all done
Seems like to me what the problem is, is your upset i'm not living up to your standards or you think im not trying hard enough. im quite happy with myself and have tried changing for people most of my life, but now im just sick of it. im a very stubborn arse, and i give up! :D


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