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29 Nov 2008, 6:35 pm

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And public executions? Yuck! I wouldn't want to associate with anybody who enjoys watching public executions. Goodness, who knows what they'd be capable of if they'd been socialised into alternative norms and values. It's scary to think about.

I wouldn't enjoy watching the executions, but as a consequentialist, the ends come before the means.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:38 pm

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The problem with today's society is that no one is ever held responsible for their own actions. They can always pawn it off on petty excuses like " I have low-self esteem" or "My father called me names". We are that creates justifications for the vilest crimes imaginable. Sorry, but I don't have any empathy for subhuman pieces of garbage like this bully. I reserve empathy for those who deserve it. In my world, ever action deserves an equal but opposite reaction.


Yeah, I agree with what you say about people using excuses. I'll tell you a little story about what happened to me once; a girl in my class stole £5 out of my bag and was boasting about it, so I say, "I want that money back by this time tomorrow or else I'm telling," then she turns on the waterworks and starts whinging that her family's poor, so all the ret*ds in the class sided with her and accused me of being a bully. MY MONEY, I think! BS!


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29 Nov 2008, 6:42 pm

From some of the things I 've seen, in fact, from some of the things that I have experienced I cannot agree with 'an eye for an eye', which I presume you mean.

And yes, I agree that excuses cannot be allowed to overtake what actually has happened (except in cases of extreme mental and emotional health problems), but I was not talking about that. I was talking about the fact that I'd only agree with the death penalty if society took all preventative measures available (including other punishments and indirect as well as direct causal factors) and nothing changed.

I do think that some prisons are just too 'cozy' to work as successful preventative measures though- the basics and nothing else for those who deserve nothing but their right to life in such circumstances.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:43 pm

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timeisdead wrote:
The problem with today's society is that no one is ever held responsible for their own actions. They can always pawn it off on petty excuses like " I have low-self esteem" or "My father called me names". We are that creates justifications for the vilest crimes imaginable. Sorry, but I don't have any empathy for subhuman pieces of garbage like this bully. I reserve empathy for those who deserve it. In my world, ever action deserves an equal but opposite reaction.


Yeah, I agree with what you say about people using excuses. I'll tell you a little story about what happened to me once; a girl in my class stole £5 out of my bag and was boasting about it, so I say, "I want that money back by this time tomorrow or else I'm telling," then she turns on the waterworks and starts whinging that her family's poor, so all the ret*ds in the class sided with her and accused me of being a bully. MY MONEY, I think! BS!

Exactly! She was taking property that didn't belong to her! It's appalling that the class had the audacity to call you the bully for demanding your own money back! This sense of false entitlement is ruining our society. Instead of focusing on ways to improve their own lives, they think they need to steal from those they perceive as more fortunate.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:46 pm

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I do think that some prisons are just too 'cosy' to work as successful preventative measures though- the basics and nothing else for those who deserve nothing but their right to life in such circumstances.

Some prisons have health gyms, cable TV, game rooms (with hockey, pool, ect), and even internet access. You can even have FREE education in prison (I think they should be paying their own way)! I know this because my friend worked as a prison guard. I was honestly very shocked the first time I heard it.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:49 pm

timeisdead wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
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The problem with today's society is that no one is ever held responsible for their own actions. They can always pawn it off on petty excuses like " I have low-self esteem" or "My father called me names". We are that creates justifications for the vilest crimes imaginable. Sorry, but I don't have any empathy for subhuman pieces of garbage like this bully. I reserve empathy for those who deserve it. In my world, ever action deserves an equal but opposite reaction.


Yeah, I agree with what you say about people using excuses. I'll tell you a little story about what happened to me once; a girl in my class stole £5 out of my bag and was boasting about it, so I say, "I want that money back by this time tomorrow or else I'm telling," then she turns on the waterworks and starts whinging that her family's poor, so all the ret*ds in the class sided with her and accused me of being a bully. MY MONEY, I think! BS!


Exactly! She was taking property that didn't belong to her! It's appalling that the class had the audacity to call you the bully for demanding your own money back! This sense of false entitlement is ruining our society. Instead of focusing on ways to improve their own lives, they think they need to steal from those they perceive as more fortunate.


Yep! I was outraged for so many reasons, cos my family ain't exactly the flipping Hiltons either. But you don't see me stealing other people's things, so poverty is no excuse.


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29 Nov 2008, 6:51 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
The problem with today's society is that no one is ever held responsible for their own actions. They can always pawn it off on petty excuses like " I have low-self esteem" or "My father called me names". We are that creates justifications for the vilest crimes imaginable. Sorry, but I don't have any empathy for subhuman pieces of garbage like this bully. I reserve empathy for those who deserve it. In my world, ever action deserves an equal but opposite reaction.


Yeah, I agree with what you say about people using excuses. I'll tell you a little story about what happened to me once; a girl in my class stole £5 out of my bag and was boasting about it, so I say, "I want that money back by this time tomorrow or else I'm telling," then she turns on the waterworks and starts whinging that her family's poor, so all the ret*ds in the class sided with her and accused me of being a bully. MY MONEY, I think! BS!


Exactly! She was taking property that didn't belong to her! It's appalling that the class had the audacity to call you the bully for demanding your own money back! This sense of false entitlement is ruining our society. Instead of focusing on ways to improve their own lives, they think they need to steal from those they perceive as more fortunate.


Yep! I was outraged for so many reasons, cos my family ain't exactly the flipping Hiltons either. But you don't see me stealing other people's things, so poverty is no excuse.


And it's not like she's homeless and starving to death either!



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29 Nov 2008, 6:52 pm

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I do think that some prisons are just too 'cosy' to work as successful preventative measures though- the basics and nothing else for those who deserve nothing but their right to life in such circumstances.

Some prisons have health gyms, cable TV, game rooms (with hockey, pool, ect), and even internet access. You can even have FREE education in prison (I think they should be paying their own way)! I know this because my friend worked as a prison guard. I was honestly very shocked the first time I heard it.


THAT is just out of order!

Here's another thing: prisoners get a free ride (a crappy ride, but still free), but elderly people in carehomes have to pay their own way and are seen as a burden on society. What gives? What has the world come to when convicts get more respect from society than the elderly?!


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29 Nov 2008, 6:53 pm

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What's wrong with prison for life, then?



It costs the taxpayers over $30K/year for each inmate in prison. They should use the death-penalty, especially for those inmates who want it. There are quite a few who actually want to die, and I think they should get their wish.


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29 Nov 2008, 6:54 pm

In my opinion that destroys the objective of a prison- both as a preventative measure and a punishment. Food, water a bed- perhaps rewards for good behaviour that are not too easily achieved and some rehab and social when nearing the end of their sentence. That's enough.

The money on a pool table and internet are best gone to law abiders in need.

Riots aren't an issue either if the prisoners are kept apart or in very, very small groups.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:54 pm

http://mailroomexchange.blogspot.com/20 ... stria.html
LOL! This is actually a prison in Austria! Looks more like a vacation villa!



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29 Nov 2008, 6:55 pm

timeisdead wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
The problem with today's society is that no one is ever held responsible for their own actions. They can always pawn it off on petty excuses like " I have low-self esteem" or "My father called me names". We are that creates justifications for the vilest crimes imaginable. Sorry, but I don't have any empathy for subhuman pieces of garbage like this bully. I reserve empathy for those who deserve it. In my world, ever action deserves an equal but opposite reaction.


Yeah, I agree with what you say about people using excuses. I'll tell you a little story about what happened to me once; a girl in my class stole £5 out of my bag and was boasting about it, so I say, "I want that money back by this time tomorrow or else I'm telling," then she turns on the waterworks and starts whinging that her family's poor, so all the ret*ds in the class sided with her and accused me of being a bully. MY MONEY, I think! BS!


Exactly! She was taking property that didn't belong to her! It's appalling that the class had the audacity to call you the bully for demanding your own money back! This sense of false entitlement is ruining our society. Instead of focusing on ways to improve their own lives, they think they need to steal from those they perceive as more fortunate.


Yep! I was outraged for so many reasons, cos my family ain't exactly the flipping Hiltons either. But you don't see me stealing other people's things, so poverty is no excuse.


And it's not like she's homeless and starving to death either!


Exactly. God knows the government hands out enough welfare packets, in both Britain and the USA! My family would technically be poor enough for benefits until recently, but we didn't take it because Mum reckons people should stand on their own two feet as much as possible (I agree with her). So it's not like theft was the only option.


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29 Nov 2008, 6:57 pm

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http://mailroomexchange.blogspot.com/2007/02/prison-facilities-in-austria.html
LOL! This is actually a prison in Austria! Looks more like a vacation villa!


WTH?! And Austria as well...that's the treatment that bloody Josef Fritzl's getting??! !

THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS SCREWED.


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29 Nov 2008, 6:59 pm

I believe in voluntary euthanasia so people who want to die, assuming they are informed and that is their absolute decision I have no problem with.

Death penalty costs money too- as does the years waiting on deathrow, (just incase of an unfortunate mistake, papework etc) gets incredibly expensive as does the specialised staff and equipment. Besides, like I said before, there is funding out there. Certain people would rather keep it too themselves though. It's amazing how in media campaigns money always seems to magically pop-up out of 'nowhere' when needed. Pathetic.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:59 pm

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gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
What's wrong with prison for life, then?



It costs the taxpayers over $30K/year for each inmate in prison. They should use the death-penalty, especially for those inmates who want it. There are quite a few who actually want to die, and I think they should get their wish.


People are kept on death row for years, so the death penalty doesn't solve that problem.

Well, if they actually WANT to die, they can be my guest.


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29 Nov 2008, 7:01 pm

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I do think that some prisons are just too 'cosy' to work as successful preventative measures though- the basics and nothing else for those who deserve nothing but their right to life in such circumstances.

Some prisons have health gyms, cable TV, game rooms (with hockey, pool, ect), and even internet access. You can even have FREE education in prison (I think they should be paying their own way)! I know this because my friend worked as a prison guard. I was honestly very shocked the first time I heard it.


THAT is just out of order!

Here's another thing: prisoners get a free ride (a crappy ride, but still free), but elderly people in carehomes have to pay their own way and are seen as a burden on society. What gives? What has the world come to when convicts get more respect from society than the elderly?!


The worst part is that there are many middle class families that can't receive financial aide; these are the families that will be straddled with the most debt. The wealthy can easily pay it off and the destitute can get government benefits. Who ever thinks about the vast majority of the nation? This is placing criminals above law abiding citizens.