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01 Feb 2018, 8:20 pm

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i have infinite value AND am but a byproduct of my genes and experience.


I find "byproduct" to be too limiting and also negative in connotation, as though you're an afterthought and thus less in value, especially when used in conjunction with referring to one's self as broken. The thoughts we have about ourselves are more powerful than we realize, and labeling one's self with something negative only serves to reinforce the negativity and keep a person within the framework of that negativity.
Learning to stop identifying with the past is a big part of therapy and psychology.

If one doesn't agree with my views and opinions, don't agree. We don't have to think the same. But please don't read something in my words that isn't there. I was not insinuating or implying that one can't have value despite how they feel about themselves or others.


We are all unique in our culmination of experiences. Byproduct is simply stating we are shaped by our own unique life experience, whether is be good or bad no matter the outcome. We do not control what socioeconomic status, we are born into, what cultures, we are exposed to or what gender we are or appear to others on the outside. With time these sorts of things can change, you can climb the socioeconomic ladder and experience life in a whole other light most never get to or lose everything and fall down that same ladder. You can experience new cultures and adapt new outlooks. You find out whether what you look like on the outside is actually compatible with how you feel on the inside.

We are a byproduct because the things we experience and how we experience them is not always a choice. We did not choose who would raise us, what happens in the world around us that impacts our lives, or what sort of genes we have that could alter our outlook of our life experiences. We are a culmination of experience until this very point in time. We are forever changing for better or worse, we are not who we were 10 years ago nor 10 years before that. You can let go of things from the past, but that certainly does not stop the past from shaping the person you are today.

That being said, you can now choose to totally disregard everything I said for your own outlook and that is fine. It is human to see everything from our own unique outlooks. Perhaps there is a much better way of getting my point across and my choice of words was inadequate.


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01 Feb 2018, 8:47 pm

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We are all unique in our culmination of experiences. Byproduct is simply stating we are shaped by our own unique life experience, whether is be good or bad no matter the outcome. We do not control what socioeconomic status, we are born into, what cultures, we are exposed to or what gender we are or appear to others on the outside. With time these sorts of things can change, you can climb the socioeconomic ladder and experience life in a whole other light most never get to or lose everything and fall down that same ladder. You can experience new cultures and adapt new outlooks. You find out whether what you look like on the outside is actually compatible with how you feel on the inside.

We are a byproduct because the things we experience and how we experience them is not always a choice. We did not choose who would raise us, what happens in the world around us that impacts our lives, or what sort of genes we have that could alter our outlook of our life experiences. We are a culmination of experience until this very point in time. We are forever changing for better or worse, we are not who we were 10 years ago nor 10 years before that. You can let go of things from the past, but that certainly does not stop the past from shaping the person you are today.

That being said, you can now choose to totally disregard everything I said for your own outlook and that is fine. It is human to see everything from our own unique outlooks. Perhaps there is a much better way of getting my point across and my choice of words was inadequate.


I don't deny that all of that is true, to an extent. I believe I even said that we are changed and influenced by our pasts and our environments. I didn't dispute that. I merely challenged the label "byproduct" and "broken". A secondary, incidental product that is often unintended or undesirable. A fractured, damaged object that is no longer functional or useful. I am personally neither of those things. I don't think it does a person fairness or justice to call themselves either of those things.

My point is this... almost everyone is worthy of love and appreciation, and to call one's self or another person broken or a byproduct doesn't fit into Love or Appreciation, in my perspective. And there's enough lack of either of those qualities in our lives without us ladling more onto the plate.
I was attempting to be supportive and kind, although admittedly I'm not very good at either as I've never had much kindness and I only recently have gotten any support, so I have no idea what I'm doing.
I'll refrain from attempts in the future.

As for disregarding in favor of my own perspective... that doesn't make much sense. Disregard implies choice. If all I am capable of understanding is my own perspective, then how I can possibly have a choice in the matter? Being capable of understanding your perspective outside of my own does not mean that I have to agree with it or take it on as my own, either. And your post seems as though you believe I somehow am unaware of any of those things. Almost as though you're attempting to educate me. I don't personally respond well to that, as I've a history of people assuming I don't understand a topic when in fact I understand it better than they do, which is why they tend to make such assumptions in the first place. (See, there it is, the past influence, which for the 3rd time now I'm not denying or refuting) However, I'm not going to be a hypocrite and assume that that's what you're doing or intended to do. Perhaps you simply were trying to express where you're coming from in regards to feeling as though you are broken and a byproduct; likely that's the case.

Either way, I don't really see this particular conversation going anywhere worthwhile. I wish you lots of happiness and love. I apologize for any offense, as I did not intend to create/incite any.


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01 Feb 2018, 9:44 pm

byproducts are just as likely to be desirable as undesirable.



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01 Feb 2018, 9:57 pm

cathylynn wrote:
byproducts are just as likely to be desirable as undesirable.


I think we can all be in agreement when I say you and LittleCoyoteKat are both priceless and the world is a better place, because you both make it a better place to live in.


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01 Feb 2018, 10:02 pm

How adorable Shadow is~


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01 Feb 2018, 10:24 pm

Eating healthy food helps when you are underweight and overweight.



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01 Feb 2018, 10:26 pm

How my family started complaining about my cooking but then steal the food I cook for myself :roll:


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01 Feb 2018, 10:27 pm

cathylynn wrote:
byproducts are just as likely to be desirable as undesirable.


Please stop nitpicking my posts.


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01 Feb 2018, 10:29 pm

blackicmenace wrote:
I think we can all be in agreement when I say you and LittleCoyoteKat are both priceless and the world is a better place, because you both make it a better place to live in.


Thank you. :) As do you. :D


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01 Feb 2018, 10:33 pm

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How my family started complaining about my cooking but then steal the food I cook for myself :roll:


That's because you cook it too hot for your mother, too cold for your father, but when you cook for yourself it's just right.



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01 Feb 2018, 11:16 pm

MariaTheFictionkin wrote:
How adorable Shadow is~


Do you mind me asking who Shadow is?


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01 Feb 2018, 11:30 pm

Do boogers freeze in your nostrils when you live in a cold climate?


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01 Feb 2018, 11:32 pm

Yep. They do.



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01 Feb 2018, 11:35 pm

^ must be annoying little icicles.

I was just reading that new yorkians are the highest users of cannabis of any city.


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01 Feb 2018, 11:51 pm

How I wish I was a kid again.


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02 Feb 2018, 12:07 am

My malfunctioning cells.


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