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19 Oct 2020, 2:21 am

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And I wonder whether if bipedal dinosaurs like Dromeosaurus had evolved into tool-users, they'd have ended up with an upright humanoid posture?

Had the earth not been hit by a comet 70 million years ago then its likely mammals would never have evolved beyond shrew like creatures.

It;s possible velociraptor type dinosaurs might have evolved big brains and an opposable thumb creating advanced bipedal reptilians.

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19 Oct 2020, 2:25 am

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Well actually Sweatleaf's home of Denver, and my mom's hometown of Colorado Springs (fifty miles to the south-both on the foothills of the front range of the Rockies) are both home to air force bases.

Colorado Springs has both Peterson AFB, and the Airforce Academy (with its airstrip). And Denver has Buckley AFB.

So either...the airforce has its own high tech aircraft, or drones, doing crazy stuff in the central Colorado night skies. Or the bases are attracting UFOs like flies to manure, to that part of Colorado! :lol:

Well it could be both. Alien ships keeping an eye or advanced tech hidden in a black project budget.

The only problem I have with both explanations is why if both humans involved in black projects and interstellar aliens capable of travelling light years can create such advanced tech then why the heck don't they use a cloaking device??

Dumb aliens and even dumber humans having craft the size of football stadiums flying over major cities

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19 Oct 2020, 2:57 am

Somewhere there has to be an alien saying, "I'm not saying it was humans, but ..."

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19 Oct 2020, 7:25 am

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Somewhere there has to be an alien saying, "I'm not saying it was humans, but ..."

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19 Oct 2020, 7:20 pm

aliens....(sorry my pathetic attempt to keep this thread alive)

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19 Oct 2020, 8:38 pm

you don't have to try to keep it alive
live and let die

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20 Oct 2020, 2:40 am

Good bye my sweet thread :cry:

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20 Oct 2020, 2:52 am

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Good bye my sweet thread :cry:

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20 Oct 2020, 4:54 am

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cyberdad wrote:

Good bye my sweet thread :cry:

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Although we've come
To the end of the road
Still I can't let go
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This thread belongs to me
I belong to you (please abduct me and take me to your planet aliens)

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20 Oct 2020, 2:43 pm

"Ancient Aliens" used to be one of my favorite programs. They provided plenty of evidence for this theory. I am not sure I believe all that the show said 100%, but I keep an open mind. I think it's at least possible that an advanced civilization had a hand in humanity's development. I don't know why it would be impossible. I have a strong background in science, but I don't get why most mainstream scientists are so hostile to the idea of ETs visiting Earth and other paranormal phenomena. It seems arrogant to think that science, as it exists today, has all of the answers.
I have a huge obsession with the paranormal and the unexplained. I have ever since I was a little kid.

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20 Oct 2020, 2:59 pm

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I and ancient astronauts go back a long way. By high school I had already devoured many books about science, and history, so even as a high school kid I had a general knowledge of the "normal" before I started to look at books about the "paranormal". And it was then that I started to read those "Chariots of Gods" books by Eric Van Daniken that started the whole "ancient astronauts" thing in Seventies. Even then I could see that much of his book was bs, and then later I read some books written to answer his books that showed that even more of his book was bs. But just like 95 percent of UFOs turn out to be explainable there is that five percent residue of things that are hard to explain.

So ....be open minded, but be skeptical, and take that TV show with...a pillar of salt big enough to contain Lot's wife.

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20 Oct 2020, 6:10 pm

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I don't get why most mainstream scientists are so hostile to the idea of ETs visiting Earth and other paranormal phenomena. It seems arrogant to think that science, as it exists today, has all of the answers.
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As an ex-scientist I can offer one perspective. The first thing science students learn is a principle called "occam's razor" put simply "all things being equal, the simplest explanation is the most likely"

Cosmologist and space scientist Carl Sagan was even more specific when relating occam's razor to the paranormal (he was specifically referring to aliens but it applies to all paranormal phenomena) that Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I suspect from the renaissance that science has naturally been antagonistic toward beliefs that are unable to supported through observation. especially given the earliest scientists often ended up being burned at the stake by the church for their support for the principles of science.

However I think the evidence Sagan was talking about can be seen if these guys choose to examine the data. But as you correctly pointed out, the western scientific paradigm has not caught up with the evidence. At this stage the only thing that will convince a tenured scientist that advanced aliens beings exist is if one walked into the Whitehouse and says "take me to your leader"

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20 Oct 2020, 6:27 pm

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And it was then that I started to read those "Chariots of Gods" books by Eric Van Daniken that started the whole "ancient astronauts" thing in Seventies.

Yes I read Chariot's of the Gods in 1985 and it certainly got me interested in the idea but I saw my first book on UFOs in a children's encyclopaedia when I was in primary school. The ancient aliens theory dovetails with the concept of pre-deluvian advanced civilisations that were spawned from Plato's Atlantis where advanced civilisations existed far back in the past, Again there is a stigma associated with ideas that primitive people were capable of technology prior to the ice-age but that's now been also thrown on its head due to archaeological discoveries in India, Turkey and Indonesia which strangely don't make the news here in the west,

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But just like 95 percent of UFOs turn out to be explainable there is that five percent residue of things that are hard to explain.

The magic number of 95% is actually sourced from the flawed data from Project Blue book. According to the US airforce 95% of all UFO cases could be explained by swamp gas, the planet venus, flocks of birds or aircraft. The remaining 5% they classified as "insufficient data" to identify as swamp gas, stars, birds or aircraft. Project Blue book was a cynical exercise which according to the man running the program, Dr Alan Hynek, appeared to be designed to obfuscate and cover up the phenomena to not agitate the public.

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20 Oct 2020, 6:55 pm

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I feel like the unconscious motivator to being SO opposed to alien theories is actually a revelation into the person's own psyche/ego.
They want to believe that humanity is the crowning achievement of evolution all on its own, probably a reflection of the way they view themselves, i.e. they see themselves typically as a highly advanced human and feel they owe no credit to anyone else but their own sheer brilliance.
In my experience this has been the snapshot of the people I've known who are so committed to disproving alien theories or the idea that there was some kind of assistance in man's evolution.

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20 Oct 2020, 7:43 pm

AspiePrincess611 wrote:

"Ancient Aliens" used to be one of my favorite programs. They provided plenty of evidence for this theory. I am not sure I believe all that the show said 100%, but I keep an open mind. I think it's at least possible that an advanced civilization had a hand in humanity's development. I don't know why it would be impossible. I have a strong background in science, but I don't get why most mainstream scientists are so hostile to the idea of ETs visiting Earth and other paranormal phenomena. It seems arrogant to think that science, as it exists today, has all of the answers.
I have a huge obsession with the paranormal and the unexplained. I have ever since I was a little kid.

Not impossible.
But perhaps improbable?

Occam's Razer? :wink:

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20 Oct 2020, 7:49 pm

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AspiePrincess611 wrote:

Yes, I am brilliant, but that is beside the point.

I have no passionate need to debunk alien contribution.
I simply use critical thinking and my reasoning ability to consider possibilities.

Also, have you considered the possibility of "overlap"?

Some incidences of alien involvement may be bogus.
Some may be genuine.

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