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goldfish21 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
babybird wrote:
Have you ever thought about making your own out of one of those kits
My friend made really great beer and wine from home, but it’s not really cheaper.I’ve made homemade wine before but it hasn’t been a good fruit year for years.All I had to buy was the sugar.I used to have two pear trees that had tons of fruit, but now late frosts get the blossoms.If I still had the pears ,I’d invest in a cider press and make cider.
What about a still? Then you don't need fruit.. potatoes will do.People here use corn.
You need to know what you are doing for that venture.
I’d rather have cider or wine.
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07 Jul 2023, 6:54 pm
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Filled my flask with some of the least expensive whiskey in the liquor store - but it’s actually incredibly smooth! Competes with bottles nearly twice the price. Drank a bit less than an ounce - may seem silly to some but I find a small amount of alcohol makes me less OCD perfectionist and more productive at my trade so I figure I’ll get more done in less time for it. (But I do not drink daily before work - just figured wtf it’s Friday and I wanna get certain things done asap and leave.)
Do you think you’d drink less if it cost you more money? Seems part of the problem is the cheap alcohol, IMO.
Alcohol is expensive here and then if I buy a drink out I’ll round up to a huge tip as a self imposed tax for a $15-20 single drink in part so I’ll limit myself to one drink.
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Not doing too well today. On my 9th can of Magners.
Do you think you’d drink less if it cost you more money? Seems part of the problem is the cheap alcohol, IMO.
Alcohol is expensive here and then if I buy a drink out I’ll round up to a huge tip as a self imposed tax for a $15-20 single drink in part so I’ll limit myself to one drink.
As a matter of interest, how much does a cheap bottle of wine cost in Canada? I mean from a supermarket or liquor store, not in a pub or restaurant.
Actually the UK is not a particularly cheap location for alcoholic drinks or for anything else. The cheapest bottle of drinkable proper wine over here has been around £4 for a 750ml bottle in recent times, but when I visited Italy a few years ago you could get a bottle of presentable wine for around £1. I remember buying bottles of Cava in Spain for around 80 pence in the late 1990s.
Prices are not the same nation wide. Liquor control boards are Provincial and taxes are different Province by Province. BC is amongst the most expensive, possibly the highest. I just checked their website because I never buy wine. Seems the cheapest bottles on sale are $12-13 + tax and deposit so around $14-15 CDN for a cheap bottle of wine. Prices go up from there.
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07 Jul 2023, 9:47 pm
Misslizard wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
babybird wrote:
Have you ever thought about making your own out of one of those kits
My friend made really great beer and wine from home, but it’s not really cheaper.I’ve made homemade wine before but it hasn’t been a good fruit year for years.All I had to buy was the sugar.I used to have two pear trees that had tons of fruit, but now late frosts get the blossoms.If I still had the pears ,I’d invest in a cider press and make cider.
What about a still? Then you don't need fruit.. potatoes will do.People here use corn.
You need to know what you are doing for that venture.
I’d rather have cider or wine.
I'm pretty sure even I could figure one of these out.
https://www.stillspirits.com/products/air-still
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08 Jul 2023, 12:15 am
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So it seems that over there you'd pay around £8 for the cheapest bottle of wine. What's this 'deposit' business all about, then?
Almost Every drink container has a deposit on it. I think it’s still 5 cents for pop, 10 cents for each can of beer, 20 cents for larger bottles of wine/spirits I Think. Whatever it is, we pay it at the till and then when you take all your empties back to a bottle depot you get your deposit back.
It’s been done here for decades to encourage recycling of aluminum and glass instead of containers going into a landfill. In the USA some states do it, some don’t.
It’s a micro industry for homeless people and very poor people. (and some not so poor) They collect cans and go take them in by the garbage bag full and get cash. Kids sports teams and boyscouts and other organizations will do “bottle drives,” to collect donated bottles for the deposit money as a donation to their cause.
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08 Jul 2023, 11:00 am
MaxE wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
DeepHour wrote:
So it seems that over there you'd pay around £8 for the cheapest bottle of wine. What's this 'deposit' business all about, then?
Almost Every drink container has a deposit on it. I think it’s still 5 cents for pop, 10 cents for each can of beer, 20 cents for larger bottles of wine/spirits I Think. Whatever it is, we pay it at the till and then when you take all your empties back to a bottle depot you get your deposit back.
It’s been done here for decades to encourage recycling of aluminum and glass instead of containers going into a landfill. In the USA some states do it, some don’t.
It’s a micro industry for homeless people and very poor people. (and some not so poor) They collect cans and go take them in by the garbage bag full and get cash. Kids sports teams and boyscouts and other organizations will do “bottle drives,” to collect donated bottles for the deposit money as a donation to their cause.
Back in my day, when I visited Canada on a (relatively) frequent basis, all beer was sold in reusable bottles which meant that the bottles were returned to the brewery then were filled with more beer and sold again, etc. In those days, one of the single biggest faux pas a visiting American could commit was to throw an empty into the waste bin, which is what Americans always did because we either didn't yet have recycling or else it wasn't yet a widespread practice.
I am curious why Canadians went from reusing to recycling beer bottles like their brothers to the South.
PS adding deposits to bottles and cans was one of the most successful tactics against urban blight ever. I can recall visiting NYC when it started, you have to understand NYC went through a period in the 2nd half of the 20th Century of being seriously at risk for losing its standing as a world capital (this is why the film "Escape From New York" resonated with audiences at the time). In those days, a visitor in NYC frequently encountered panhandlers. But if you gave a panhandler an empty soda can, they would generally be satisfied. You also learned to put the cans on top of waste bins instead of in them. It would seem a lot of homeless people procured a reasonable amount of cash from returning those empties and it might have contributed to NYC's rejuvenation beginning in the 80s, in a small way.
Beer is still available in glass bottles (long neck, not stubbies) but I'm not sure if they're reused (like they should be!) or if the glass simply gets recycled each time they're returned. Overwhelming majority of sales are cans, though.
Possibly due to the American takeover of many Canadian breweries and standardizing packaging/labelling for cost control reasons. Possibly to encourage recycling vs. broken glass everywhere - glass is heavy; people collecting cans don't want to carry it around. Possibly simply due to cost of aluminum cans being lower than glass bottles. Could also be that the cost of transport for cans vs. bottles is lower.. smaller space, lighter weight = more beer on the truck for the same transport cost. Costs a lot more to recycle glass, too, I'm sure.. heavier to transport, more energy to melt etc. Maybe consumer preference.. easier to take cans to the beach than bottles - gotta carry heavier glass, then carry the empties back up the stairs because can pickers don't want them and glass could break. Maybe all of the above + other reasons.
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