Squirrel hunting championship

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Everyone, please stick to discussing the discussion and not whatever afflictions may or may not afflict those participating. That's usually considered rude, and not likely to further your cause.

Literacy fail.


Anyway. I've indulged your bad mood (post-holiday blues, maybe?) long enough.

Since my point about a lack of empathy for non-human animals, and their capacity to suffer, seemed to be what you took issue with, originally, I'll wait for you to get back to it, as opposed to flying into a rage at me for not sharing in your LOL's about squirrel hunting. [/quote]

I see that yu edited your post since the last time I read it to include more insults.

I do not have a "twisted little face", no matter how much you dislike my opinion.

Nor am I having a post holiday mood problem.

Done with responding to your little rant.

I am also against killing animals for fun.

I'm very anti hunting as well.

Hehe, my boss would love this contest. A few months back, we had a whole troop of racoons raiding the fruit tree above his office behind the shop, presumably the same bunch that had been into our garbage recently. I was just coming into work and spotted them in the tree, and was like "hey, it's those damn racoons that keep strewing the trash everywhere". Now my boss is like a reformed hillbilly, he traded in his pickup for a Jetta and swapped his jeans for khakis, but at the mention of the words"racoons" and "right there" he was popping the trunk of the Jetta and pulling out a scoped pellet gun with an integral silencer and fitted thumbhole stock... Within minutes we were quietly dropping 'coons out of the tree from the cover of the office, knocking three of them clean out of the tree and into the ravine that runs alongside out store, taking turns with the rifle. Mind you, this was right in the middle of downtown Bainbridge Island, where the residents would be not doubt horrified at the raccoon massacre taking place right under their noses; the Birkenstock crowd is pretty deep out here.

At my own house, I have a non-lethal device I rigged up for driving off deer that also works well on smaller animals, provided my aim is good. It's an old pump-action pellet gun that I bored the pressure cylinder out on, then fitted it with a .40 caliber blowgun barrel along with a low power airgun scope and integral suppressor. I machine aluminum slugs that mate up with plastic blowgun cones designed for sharp darts, and after 15 pumps of the gun they'll punch through drywall at close range (don't ask how I know that). The slugs hit deer hard enough to hurt like hell, but they don't draw blood, and as I aim for the muscle of the haunch there's little danger of permanent injury. I can lower the power by just pumping it up less and use it on smaller creatures as well, most notably one time on a blue heron that was eating the koi my mother had stocked in her pond. That was one unhappy bird, I nailed him right in the keister as he was stalking a fish, and I hit him again in the chest when he retreated to a tree nearby, after which he decided that their were easier meals to be had elsewhere. That thing has been one of my most successful "gee whiz" projects, everyone thought I was just screwing around when I was building it, but it's been endlessly useful living in an area with a multitude of pest animals that occasionally need deterring.

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Have you read all the posts before hers were edited or removed? It looks like some of hers are gone, and almost all of mine that were just a quote of her post with my answers in bold. Most of the "argument" was picking and choosing a phrase, sometimes in context and sometimes out of context and leaving out everything else I had to say on the subject, so as to make it look like I'm out to get the animals.

I'm glad to know that mood disorders and twisted faces are good rational comments to use in debates, however I won't be using anything like that myself.


But, I didn't start this thread to be a debate on hunting. If I had, I would have put it in the PPR forum.

When I was much younger, I used to be very anti-hunting, anti-fur, animal research etc also. I understand the position and I am able to see those points. My views have changed though. I was the same way about abortion. I was very, very pro-life. I've done an (almost) 180 on that one and became very pro-choice, except in cases where the fetus is already viable. The age of viability keeps getting pushed back so rapidly now that it's a hard line to find many times.

My views on those two subjects are pretty moot anyway because I don't hunt and I'm probably getting too old to get pregnant even if my husband hadn't had a vasectomy already.

The entire point of this thread was to poke some lighthearted fun at local people who put on a pretty useless and actually very redneck competition as a way of making money. It's like one step above shooting rats with a bb gun at the dump. Yet it's got lots of people entered, and that is what I find hilarious.

To the other poster who was talking about a humane way to repell deer. This is what you do. Go to barbar shops and hair salons and ask them to save all the cut hair for you for a few days. Buy cheap pantyhose and cut off the legs. Stuff handfulls of air in the toes and tie them. Hang them on fences or posts in the area that you want to keep the deer out of. The scent of many humans in the area will keep them away. It sometimes works on raccoons also, unless they are those "suburban" kind who are very used to people and it's a semi-rural area and they come out frequently. In those cases you have to use garbage cans with the screw on lids, or if you have a big "dumpster" then weight it down with a concrete block.

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I'm going to try and address a couple of matters quickly, then come back and answer the rest. Laundry is calling me lol!

OK, first, I didn't remove any of my posts. I had replied to hers by clicking the quote button and just typing my responses in the quoted area in bold. I imagine that if she deleted her posts that I had answered in a full quote, those would be gone too. My entire posts to her are not there. Only snippets that she is responding to. There are certain points that I made that aren't there now. Then she came back and added more to her responses, including the "twisted little face" comment. There was much more conversation than is showing up now. I didn't edit my posts or remove them. As I said, I imagine that since some of my posts were inside entire quotes, that when she removed hers, it removed mine. I got no notification telling me of any posts of mine being removed by mods, etc, and I certainly didn't do it, so thats the only explination I can come up with.

It's turned into one of those political type ads now, where everything else is removed from a commercial or soundbyte except for one offensive statement. I'm not playing that game.

It's not important enough to me to "win" an online debate about something that isn't a big deal to me, to go back and change or remove my posts.

It's been years and years since I was anti-hunting, fur, and all that. To me, it was all about the fact that bad things were happening to animals and I felt I must do something about it. I was very passionate about my feelings, and really upset over the fact that all that was going on. All the information packets that the places I contacted sent me, with the horrible pictures etc, just kind of got to me. I still ate meat, but felt horrible about it. I suppose what got me to change my mind after a while of being pro animal rights, was a "fish are people too" packet that I got in the mail. It was pictures of fish and was supposed to call up the same feelings in me that bunnies blinded by eye makeup called up.

As for abortion, I got involved with a ministry that a woman at my church worked at, a pro-life ministry. I was pro-life longer than I've been pro-choice, but it was another incidence of overkill that pushed me away from that faction too. It would be dangerous for me to have another baby after my fourth one, for my own health issues. As in life threatening for me. A group within the local pro-life group was trying to pressure my husband and myself to get his vasectomy reversed and take our chances because his vasectomy was "as bad as abortion" to them.

I'm easily turned off by overkill.

This reminds me of The Simpsons "Whacking Day" episode


>>>>IMDb<<<<(def. of Whacking Day)

Couldn't find a video link.

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Sea Kittens? I don't remember that name, this was 20 some odd years ago, but I did once have Sea Monkeys. They never turned into anything. $1.95 wasted!

I was once on an animal rights debate mailing list, and some of the people had some strange ideas. Not saying you do, but it's how some of the people were. I was told I shouldn't think of my dog as "my dog" but as "my companion". They also really pushed animal feed with no meat products or by products in it. I was not only supposed to think about my dog differently, I was supposed to turn him into a vegetarian! I know that every movement has it's fringes and I think thats what those were. I was invited to the list by a friend and didn't stay long. It was all pointless arguing. I could see trying to change people's actions, but trying to change their thoughts seemed a bit creepy to me.

PETA also turned down a proposal, years ago in some cold city, to work with them in getting those who used to own fur but are anti-fur now, to donate their coats to the homeless instead of to PETA to just ruin them in campaigns. It was stated that seeing bums walking around in fur would remove the glamour from it, and also would help keep people from freezing to death. It was reported that they turned them down and said they would get more results their way. I'll have to Google to find it, but if you'll remind me to, I will later on. I almost donated mine to them back then, but my mother convinced me to let her hold on to them. One was one bought by my husband for me and one was my grandmothers stole that she left me. I'm really glad I kept them, and I have them back now. Not that I go anywhere to wear them. But, I think it's heartless to let people die just to make a point.

Not arguing about PETA at all (or trying to start an argument or debate either) just conversation, and comparing notes I suppose.

I am still highly disappointed in the sea monkeys though.

Excuse you? Since when do I need to justify not being a vegetarian? Are you the universal arbiter who decides what's ethical or not? As I said, we are omnivores. Omnivorous species incorporate animal protein as part of a healthy diet. Only animal protein contains all 8 essential amino acids not found in plant protein. Since I didn't choose my digestive tract, the onus is on you to convince me why I shouldn't eat meat. And no, your subjective morals alone are not enough.

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Since when am I not allowed to respond to things that are not directed at me personally? If you're saying to no one in particular that being an omnivore is no justification for not being a vegetarian, you're clearly implying there must be some sort of stipulation for eating meat; of course someone might call you on that. Now, I like animals a lot, and I strongly disagree with how many slaughterhouses treat their animals; I would never eat something like foie gras, or animals that were prepared by backward, cruel, Islamic ritual slaughter, just to name something. That doesn't mean I have to apologize for eating meat that was humanely slaughtered. Vegetarians can continue to live off of a diet of sunflower seeds and grass for all I care, I'm not chastising anyone for what they eat. Just don't expect me to share your eating habits.

And soy is garbage: it lowers testosterone, HDL cholesterol, raises estrogen and decreases protein synthesis. It may even be linked to prostate growth. Not to mention it tastes like cardboard. I know it has all the essential amino acids, but that's about the only thing it has going for it so I didn't mention it.

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