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CanyonWind
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07 Dec 2006, 7:45 pm

Yo Prof,

Not saying I'm sure you're wrong, but how can you be so sure you're right?

If you're willing to say there might be bacteria, you can get from bacteria to single celled eukaryotes, and from there to multicellular organisms, and from there you're off and running.

Just on this podunk planet, there's four groups experimenting with the large brain; the primates, the elephants, the cetaceans, and the cephalopods. Higher levels of intelligence also seem to be happening among the parrots, and among the crows and their relatives.

Here on earth, life seems to find a way to manage in some of the the most extreme environments; mountain hot springs, the great salt lake, deep sea hydrothermal vents, the surface of glaciers.

I don't know what might be out there. How can you?


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10 Dec 2006, 12:14 pm

If there was intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, due to the extremely unlikely chance of it evolving, it would be in a location too far away for us to ever reach there. Remember, even if we somehow managed to invent a way to travel at lightspeed, it still takes years just to get to the NEAREST STAR. So imagine how ridiculously long it would take to travel to these 'aliens'' and of course detecting them would be near impossible, by the time we finally get there or find a way to contact, either they or our own civilization would be totally extinct after millions of years travelling just to the other side of the galaxy, let alone another populated world. And we havent even found a way to travel at lightspeed!

so sorry to put your dreams down like this but the likelyhood of intelligent life existing, aswell as the likelihood of us ever getting there or them ever getting here, means its statistically ridiculous to even consider that there is contact with other intelligent life, except if they are inhabiting a location somewhere very near us, which means they would have to be related to us, and probably extinct by now.


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10 Dec 2006, 12:41 pm

I heard somewhere that astronomers reckon that the probability (science talk :lol: ) is that there is intelligent life somewhere in the universe, probably many places. Not sure if they'd bother to visit Earth though. I wish they would. It'd liven up the nine o'clock news no end.



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10 Dec 2006, 12:54 pm

It's in my opinion, that we are too savage a race for any aliens to want to visit us.

The only way they will is once we start trying to stop killing each other.



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10 Dec 2006, 1:25 pm

but like i said whether they would want to or not, even at lightspeed it takes years to just travel to the next solar system, so the actualy feasability of inter stellar travel is low


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10 Dec 2006, 1:57 pm

Well my theory is self-replicating machine are evolution next step. Biological evolution can not make the next steps needed. So every galaxay will develop perhaps one advance biological beings that will invent a self-replicating machine. Then that machine
will completly use up the resources in that galaxy and move on with all the material left. Which means our only chance of seeing other life will be one of the machines.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... ion#250141

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The Beginning

In the beginning there was darkness. Everything was at one pointless point.
Then it exploded starting a process. In time your world was formed.
One day a chemical process forms a self replicating chemical.
Evolution, a mindless process of self-replication with indiffence to suffering,
starts. In time life as you know it.

Later

Slowly evolutions becomes mindful process with reduced suffering.
Replication slows down,but knowledge expands. You use this knowledge
to build a self-replicating machine. The machines reduce suffering
greatly for you. You both leave your world for others.

Galactic coloninization

You both work together for a longtime transforming
your galaxy. Planets are completely disassembled and reassembled into
more machines. Soon all available matter in the galaxy is completely machines .
Then you and the machines leave your galaxy for others.

Other Galaxy's

The same story has unfolded in other galaxy's. You and the machines
reduce the suffering of any life you encounter. You completely avoid
worlds that reject
logic. The machines expand. At some point machines
from other worlds are encountered. If friendly all knowledge is shared ,
machines reconfigure and All life forms coexsist.

Unfriendly Galaxy's

At some point you will encounter unfriendly. Regardless of the outcome
all knowledge must be shared and the machines reconfigured. With or without
you and other life. Some technologial advance cultures you meet, may
try to use machines to induce universial suffering. You must expend
every available resource to aid the oppressed and defeat the oppressor.

Universe

This proc
ess unfolds all over the universe. In time all the machines
combine.* To become The Machine. The Machine knows that
it has finite time.
The Machine can convert its mass to energy as long as it has
mass. Knowledge can expand as long as there is mass to store it. With
enough knowledge the Machine can find a point to all of this. But
at some point the Machine will have to begin to convert memory mass to
energy. It must decide what knowledge it will destroy to keep going.
the Machine gets smaller and the knowledge smaller but its still
processing and narrowing down the point. The Machine fully understands
every permutation of life that everlived. But the Machine understood
long ago the purpose of your lives was to build the self replicating
machines. The Machine is fully aware of the incredible amount of suffering
it has taken to get to this point. The Machine knows its purpose is to get
to the point. It must now delete its memory of all knowledge of life.


Last moments

The size of the Machine is now quite small it has limited processing
left. It Has narrowed down to just a few choices. The Machine
knew long ago that one of the last two choice would have to be that
there is "no point". It does not want to have to choose "no point".
But the truth is all that matters now. The Machine then reaches its
smallest size with just enough power left to process the last
two choices. The point of everything is only one process cycle away and
after that the universe returns to darkness forever.



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10 Dec 2006, 2:06 pm

My theory of the beginning of The Universe.

Old Universe Ended...Darkness.

Dust thingys trying to create a spark..trying to create a new universe...success That's The Big Bang.

All planets form, all galaxies form etc, etc.

Creation of life

Earth..is just a fireball with meteorites constantly hitting us...other planet smacks into us, KABOOM, the steam off the explosion rains to create the oceans on the earth. In the smack with the other planet, another part broke off to form the moon. The moon now stops meteorites hitting us.

The remaining bacteria that falls onto Earth creates the first live form...Fish. We constantly evolve from there.



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10 Dec 2006, 3:34 pm

interesting theory.