I'm SICK of hearing about the zoooooombies!! !
There are people who take this stuff for real? Do they also keep garlic and wooden stakes handy in case of vampire attack?
I hope they keep the garlic on hand for cooking, but you never know... But in their defense, they plan for all scenarios; aliens, EMPs, escaped convicts, men in black, rogue assassins, etc. To each his own, I guess.
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Zombi/nzumbe are the voodoo zombies you mention here. I watched a docu on the practice when I was about 11.
"THAT IS NEITHER THE MEANING OF THE WORD "ZOMBIE" NOR THE MEANING OF THE WORD "APOCALYPSE"!"
I am more than well aware the term "apocalypse" means merely a revelation of something, though the doomsday connotation likely stemmed from the Bible and the annihilation of mankind/earth upon the "revelation" that the christian God is returning yada, yada, yada.
I prefer the term "Undead Uprising" as opposed to "Zombie Apocalypse," though the undead are not truly mentally capable of staging an uprising per se, perhaps "undead crisis" fits better (it just lacks the "ring" the other terms have)...
I had to when I saw ammunition at the sporting goods store that was specifically made to appeal to those preparing for the undead crisis. It even says on the box "Disclaimer: (insert brand name here) ammunition is NOT a toy, but is intended only to be used on…ZOMBIES, also known as the living dead, undead, etc. No human being, plant, animal, vegetable or mineral should ever be shot with (insert brand name here) ammunition. Again, we repeat, (insert brand name here) ammunition is for use on ZOMBIES ONLY, and that's not a nickname, phrase or cute way of referring to anybody, place or thing. When we say Zombies, we mean…ZOMBIES!" REALLY?!?! What's so special about your rounds? Do they somehow contain some magical anti-undead potion in the projectile? Another marketing ploy for the idiotic masses (but I do like the green projectile tip).
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What would be the specs of said bunker? Mine would have a minimum of 3-foot-thick blast doors which would withstand well over 1000 psi of overpressure and of course be gastight. No sense in using those horrible American-made ventilation systems like what was aired on that nonsensical show Discovery Channel once had (Doomsday Bunkers, or what I called Doomsday Scammers). My equipment would be made to the strictest of Swiss standards and there would certainly be multiple airlocks (you can never be sure what those grass-roots terrorists will throw your way). Odd thing is, I would build it not even for its intended purpose, but rather, to have an interesting underground domain to call my own.
Yeah, I had a good laugh at "Doomsday Bunkers". Step one to defeat said bunker: Put a plastic trash bag over the external vents. Step two: seal with duct tape. Step three: wait. If they don't come out in a day then blow the door and take what you want.
My bunker would depend on what I thought I needed protection against. If it was a government threat then I wouldn't bother with a bunker. In that case you are best off on foot as a stationary bunker on land you own is useless against a bunker buster.
Now for the actual bunker itself, I have played with a number of different ideas. The most obvious thing to do would be to use shipping containers, but that's a bad idea. While they can be stacked with thousands of pounds of weight on top of them, this does not mean that the whole shell can carry all that weight. On a container ship, it's the corners that bear all the weight, not the roof and sides. Thus, once you start piling dirt on them they can collapse under the strain. I still like them for cheap storage space or even for an inexpensive primitive cabin on a piece of rural land. I just wouldn't use them for an underground shelter. Instead, what I would be looking for is a piece of land with a hill on it. The bunker would be built into the hill and would actually be trimmed out as a house. This gives defensibility and high ground with lots of dirt to absorb small arms fire. I would build windows into all sides but also have blast doors that would raise up out of the ground to cover them at a moment's notice. This gives good defensibility as you could also have gun slits in them to fire from and also get great visibility. You force the enemy to take the high ground from you and have a tactical advantage.
Actually, (not to put you down or anything) that isn't the best idea. The Germans toyed around with the idea of blast doors that opened in such a fashion with abysmal results. It takes far less blast overpressure to bend the metal and it is simply too much stress on the locking pins. If those get warped in any way, you may very well find yourself entombed. In regards to the windows, unless they are very small and are made with thick lead-glass recessed in an asymmetrically-angled frame (look at the "Gucklöcher" (peepholes) in the Cold-War era DDR bunkers), the radiation will still affect the inhabitants and of course the area will be a weak point in regards to blast resistance.
I really busted up laughing when they blew a freaking hole through the side of the building using the binary compound (wasn't it like only 4 to 8 lbs?) and declared the "bunker" (read contaminated death-pit) safe. How's that safe when nerve agents and even critters can infiltrate the structure?! Let's not forget that for each foot of height of the bunker, there should also be a foot of overburden (usually a combination of sand, soil, gravel, concrete, etc. or just soil) when constructing thin-walled shelters. Walls in excess of 3 feet thick and composed of well-reinforced concrete do not always have to follow this rule (topography permitting), though it certainly won't hurt things to do so. Also, what about protection from seismic activity (especially that caused by large explosions)? They never expressed any concern for this obvious threat. In true bunkers, there would be flexible couplings on pipework to prevent broken pipes, sand and gravel filled in the area the bunker will be built prior to laying foundation, and/or the use of "crib" (Tragwerk) construction (in essence, a building within a building attached at various moving points) and large springs or other means of effectively attenuating movement. This is an area in which I have several years' experience and to see garage mechanics and Orange County Choppers-type people trying to convince people they are now magically engineers in special construction (which requires highly-specialized training and schooling) is just appalling.
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I once read that to make a zombie you need to beat the ground above a witches grave with a willow branch. Then dig them up.
Really.
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I hear you turn into a zombie when you work over 70 hours a week because you have a soul sucking boss
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Zombie-specific ammo? Really?
I don't suppose they actually tested the stuff. How did they get away with not being sued for false advertising?
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Thats awesome. I should show this to my sis, then she'll know I am not the only one saying it!
I'm glad to see there's another mythology buff fighting the good fight. I developed quite a reputation on the magic the gathering forums for ranting about being true to the original legends. One of my favorite exchanges:
Me: And for crying out loud, am I the only one who knows the difference between a griffin and an opticimus?(sp?)
Other poster: yes.
Thats awesome. I should show this to my sis, then she'll know I am not the only one saying it!
I'm glad to see there's another mythology buff fighting the good fight. I developed quite a reputation on the magic the gathering forums for ranting about being true to the original legends. One of my favorite exchanges:
Me: And for crying out loud, am I the only one who knows the difference between a griffin and an opticimus?(sp?)
Other poster: yes.
I love griffins, though I prefer dragons. And I think the the kirin is a lot better than the unicorn; much more intimidating. I'm glad I'm not the only mythology addict here, too.
And now you know there is someoe else who knows the difference.
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I really busted up laughing when they blew a freaking hole through the side of the building using the binary compound (wasn't it like only 4 to 8 lbs?) and declared the "bunker" (read contaminated death-pit) safe. How's that safe when nerve agents and even critters can infiltrate the structure?! Let's not forget that for each foot of height of the bunker, there should also be a foot of overburden (usually a combination of sand, soil, gravel, concrete, etc. or just soil) when constructing thin-walled shelters. Walls in excess of 3 feet thick and composed of well-reinforced concrete do not always have to follow this rule (topography permitting), though it certainly won't hurt things to do so. Also, what about protection from seismic activity (especially that caused by large explosions)? They never expressed any concern for this obvious threat. In true bunkers, there would be flexible couplings on pipework to prevent broken pipes, sand and gravel filled in the area the bunker will be built prior to laying foundation, and/or the use of "crib" (Tragwerk) construction (in essence, a building within a building attached at various moving points) and large springs or other means of effectively attenuating movement. This is an area in which I have several years' experience and to see garage mechanics and Orange County Choppers-type people trying to convince people they are now magically engineers in special construction (which requires highly-specialized training and schooling) is just appalling.
Fair point. I wasn't thinking about it in relation to a nuclear blast though. I was thinking the biggest issue I would have to deal with was small arms fire and whatever someone could carry with them. I was thinking more in the area of a dual use type of structure with the primary use being as my primary residence. As such, I wanted windows to let in some natural light. However, I want the home to be built under ground for energy efficiency as the plan would be to live 100% off the grid and the reduction in the need for heating and cooling would reduce the overall size and cost of the solar/wind/micro-hydro system I would need to build in order to run things in the house. Heating would actually be accomplished with an old European technology which I have hear referred to as an "oven stove". It's basically a big wood burning oven made of concrete. It takes very little wood to fire it and the concrete then radiates heat throughout the day. As for the hill, doing so would provide for good drainage as rain would not be as likely to pool inside and instead would mostly run off the hill.
You do make good points though. Perhaps if I were to build this theoretical home then the best approach would be to build a bunker as a basement to it. I would just have to figure out a good ventilation system that did not require outside air or required a minimum of it. Bunkers are something of a curiosity for me but not an area of real expertise, so I am not exactly sure how to go about this in my theoretical doomsday survival palace.
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