incorrigible wrote:
As more people in our society overcompensate for past victim blaming by automatically assuming guilt unless innocence can be conclusively proved we see 2 trends. One is a positive. Victims are becoming less fearful and are becoming more likely to report crimes. One is negative. Vindictive aggressors see it as an easy way to lash out at the innocent and have started making false reports.
Your every statement in this thread marginalizes the victims of the second trend. You wish it weren't true, and you think convincing others it isn't will make you right. Even if we all start assuming people are guilty until proven innocent, it will not stop the trend. In fact, if we let this trend grow, the result will be that no one trusts victims anyway. Pretending false reporting isn't a problem only helps rapists to avoid consequences, in the end. A more rational approach is to stop overcompensating and take an evidence based approach to such claims. When such an approach is applied, yes, wrongful sentencing is eventually overturned. The fact that innocent people are being wrongfully convicted is evidence that our society marginalizes their innocence. I absolutely disagree that it is fair for an innocent person to go to jail, regardless of whether the error is eventually fixed. It is not fair for a good man to lose his job, or education, or family. It is not fair for him to be forever labeled and treated as though he committed a crime he did not socially, even if the courts take back their decision on paper.
Further evidence of marginalization is that even when it is conclusively proven that the accuser is lying, they are rarely subject to any legal action. If they get caught, it simply didn't work. As a society, we don't care about false reporting. We would rather persecute the innocent than risk leaving a victim unprotected. That in itself marginalizes the victims of false reporting.
Indeed. And being a misandrist, by not really caring that much if men have their lives ruined by a horrible, vindictive cow who is prepared to lie about a disgusting crime like that is every bit as bad as those misogynist scumbags who shame the victims of evil bastard rapists.
Whilst people who claim to be victims of sexual assault damn well should be believed, they should not be believed unquestioningly if serious discrepancies in their story come to light during interviewing and questioning. They should be questioned on these for obvious reasons as it will either strengthen the case through their answers or their case will fall apart.
Now, a lot of women have been raped and the scumbag has done it, but they often don't have enough evidence to be able to bring this to court and prosecute the bastard and just because a rapist is found not-guilty doesn't mean that the woman hasn't suffered a disgusting crime (and an even further insult through the court system). However, those women that are clearly found to have lied about a rape that never took place need the book thrown at them.
I also think that
both the accused
and the victim should keep their anonymity whilst the trial goes on. Mud sticks, and there is always the stigma of 'no smoke without fire' even if the accused is found comprehensively innocent.
As for nasty scumbags who tell lies about a serious sexual assault and wreck the lives of men, these people don't exist, do they?
From 31 January 2012, in the UK:
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Married mother of four, 41, who falsely claimed she was raped by two soldiers walks free from court- Teresa Aldridge had consensual sex with one of the soldiers at a party
- But she drunkenly claimed she had been raped by him and another man
- Within 24 hours both squaddies were arrested at their barracks
- They were 'degraded' as police took blood, pubic hair and DNA samples
- Alridge later went to the police and admitted she had made up the attack
A married mother-of-four who wrecked the lives of two soldiers after she falsely claimed they raped her has walked free from court.Teresa Aldridge, 41, had consensual sex with one of the men at a party then drunkenly claimed she had been raped by him and another man.
Up to 20 police officers investigated the allegations and within 24 hours had arrested two squaddies at their barracks, a court heard.
This is only a very rare thing? OK, here's another one.
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Woman who cried rape is jailed for two years after she lied to police just to hide a one-night stand from her husband- Gaynor Cooke, 41, told police she was suicidal after the imaginary attack in 2003
- Her taxi driver lover was due to stand trial next month before she was exposed as a liar
- Detectives confronted her and she told them: 'You've got me'
- Cooke was jailed for 2 years for her 'pack of lies', judge says
An unfaithful wife has been jailed for two years - almost a decade after she cried rape just to hide a one-night stand from her husband.Gaynor Cooke, 41, had told police she was violently attacked by a taxi driver to cover up her fling with him, and her former lover was due to stand trial next month.
No-one was arrested in 2003 because a forensic sample taken from her at the time failed to find a similar profile on the national DNA database.
And another one, from 12 January 2013 in Lancashire no less!
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Former Blackburn policeman cleared of rapeA FORMER police officer broke down in tears as he was cleared of rape.Paul John Sandham was found not guilty by a jury at Preston Crown Court after just 44 minutes of deliberation yesterday.
The catholic churchgoer had been charged with a single charge of rape between February 1, 2007 and March 1, 2007.
Now, no-one's saying that sexual assault victims shouldn't be taken seriously on this thread. Only a misogynist (or a hardline religious 'feminist' nut, heh) would suggest that. What is being suggested is that there are deliberate and false accusations that are made against people, and that, if found or discovered, they should be taken seriously.
Still, I rather suspect that
hyperlexian will go into la-la-land when confronted with this.
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