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17 Mar 2013, 4:07 am

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Well I don't believe in private property rights. Rich peoplr get away with breaking the law and theft all the time in the US. I'd never do anything to hurt a member of the working class though. If the car looks like it belongs to a poor or middle class person, I wouldn't touch it

Live in housing area of primarily young people near a very good university, so anyone with a Mercedes is likely a rich as*hole from the suburbs who's parents own a bank (I actually had to buy a car for my dad once). I don't know why people would park there who don't have a permit. I guess it's the same gated community mentality that killed Trayvon Martin

Soo you don't "believe in" OTHER PEOPLE'S property rights, do you think that they don't exist? Private property is what separates democracies from dictatorship. Our lawyers are the envy of the world.

But your rant is pure rationalization. You have nine parking tickets that you just blow off... and yet you think it is okay to mar the "rich people's" cars? That's those cars that you think are naughty... you figure those cars are owned by people that well you dont like!

And also you blame your bad behavior on your Aspieness too. Boo.

Sooner or later some camera will catch you acting out, and the cops will come knocking, and you will have a chance to explain why what you did was okay to a judge. You can tell him/her that those cars belong to people with a "gated community mentality," and their owner's property deserves to be marred. Plus, you don't "believe in" private ownership.


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17 Mar 2013, 4:13 am

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Do sensory overload and frustration ever cause you to do sociopathic things like this?


Keying someone's car has nothing to do with AS and everything to do with twat behaviour.



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17 Mar 2013, 4:48 am

I wouldnt want my car to get keyed so I dont key somebody else´s.

If someone doesnt deserve my respect there are several ways of showing it without damaging their property



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17 Mar 2013, 4:59 am

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Do you ever do this when you are outraged?

I've done this at my apartment complex (at night of course) when I come back from a long, rough day and can't find a parking spot because there are multiple cars without parking permits parked in all crazy directions. And there's nothing like a parking lot full of cars parked every which way to piss me off in the extreme. So I've gone through and keyed all the cars without parking permits.

Do sensory overload and frustration ever cause you to do sociopathic things like this?


I really hope that one day, you buy a really lovely new car, that you are so proud of, and somebody does it to you, and then when you get it resprayed, somebody else does it again, and again until you learn for yourself what a nasty, nasty person this makes you.



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17 Mar 2013, 6:04 am

it's not all black and white, the word you're looking for is emotion, it just as much guides us as thought.
btw keying a car is nothing compared to a lot of other things people are capable of



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17 Mar 2013, 6:24 am

I've only keyed a car once ... it was directed at a specific person that I felt a rage against. Nothing to do with parking, etc. Since then I've owned my own vehicle and had it damaged and had to pay to have it repainted.

I wouldn't do it now, it was stupid and self indulgent.



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17 Mar 2013, 6:59 am

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I've noticed a pattern in me of being high energy and pretty much anti-society but also pretty social and good at picking up nonverbal cues -- and very hypersexual. Then, I spend a few months where I'm a "good guy," a conformist who is very conscientious, but I can't pick up nonverbal cues, and I'm depressed, asexual, and feel like sleeping all the time. It was during one of the latter states that I was DXed as being on the spectrum. I have since come out of it and don't feel as autistic as I did formerly but a lot more angry at the world all the time (I spent the first few months of 2012 dating a girl who normally dated abusive sociopaths; I am never ever abusive towards a girl, but I guess I had that vibe; our relationship fell apart when my personality changed back to "autistic but nice").

I wonder if it's literally possible to be autistic 50% of the time and have a personality disorder the other 50% of the time. So spend 2 months on the spectrum and 2 months as an alienated NT. Then, repeat the cycle. This is how I feel my life has been for several years.

Is it possible to be a part-time aspie? lol


This sounds more like bipolar disorder than autism, when you take into account things like changes in level of sexuality, energy, and impulse control. Or straight personality disorder.

To me, at least.

Not that you couldn't have autism AND those things as well. But autism does not work that way, AS or classic.


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17 Mar 2013, 7:09 am

I'd never damage another person's property like that

It's a very destructive, anti-social act that should not be excused in my opinion

If we all took our frustrations out on others in this manner social order would break down completely (as it already is!)

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17 Mar 2013, 7:41 am

Nope, never done such things.

- I don't drive so I don't carry a car key with me, and I don't need to find parking either. :)

- I have natural respect for things rather than people, so I wouldn't want to hurt innocent cars.

- I almost never get angry (it does happen once every decade or so). It's hard to imagine doing things due to impulse. The most violent thing I've ever done was throwing a book onto the floor. :D OK, OK I pushed a person once and he landed on his butt, but I wasn't angry.


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17 Mar 2013, 7:45 am

I've broken my own stuff and once threw the person I live with's mug on the floor so it smashed but I bought him a new one
It wasn't technically his mug though; it was my mug that I'd assigned to him

So my destructiveness is generally confined to my house

I've had several fights with people so that's destructiveness towards a person but as the poster above says, it's almost as if
non-human things hold more value for me lol



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17 Mar 2013, 8:03 am

Well I've slashed a random cars tire once when I was angry, but that was a one time thing.


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17 Mar 2013, 8:38 am

I feel a bit sorry for Tyri0n, people have condemned him very harshly on this thread. Keying cars is wrong, but at least he has 'fessed up to it, that's pretty brave considering he left himself open to all manner of responses.

I don't think he needs any more harsh posts on here, people have made their point.

(There, Aspie compassion in motion).


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17 Mar 2013, 8:43 am

whirlingmind wrote:
I feel a bit sorry for Tyri0n, people have condemned him very harshly on this thread. Keying cars is wrong, but at least he has 'fessed up to it, that's pretty brave considering he left himself open to all manner of responses.

I don't think he needs any more harsh posts on here, people have made their point.

(There, Aspie compassion in motion).


I can see what you are saying but I believe it is helping a person to set proper boundaries to their behaviour

If he is encouraged to think he can't help this behaviour due to whatever conditions he has, he might continue to do it and end up in prison

By encouraging him to see this behaviour as completely unacceptable I feel I would be helping him more than by saying 'there there it's not so bad' which leaves him at more risk of doing it again

People vary a lot in terms of their attitude to this kind of thing

At the end of the day though it's up to Tyrion how he manages his frustrations



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17 Mar 2013, 9:49 am

But I believe you can make someone to see the error of their ways without making them feel so small.

He's been called:

stupid and self indulgent
jerk (twice)
a nasty, nasty person
douchebag
twat


...all on top of people explaining why his actions are inadvisable and reminding him he is a criminal and the behaviour is anti-social and destructive. Those things alone were enough without the insults flying.

Like many of us, he has self-esteem issues, name-calling just drags people down further.


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17 Mar 2013, 9:51 am

whirlingmind wrote:
But I believe you can make someone to see the error of their ways without making them feel so small.

He's been called:

stupid and self indulgent
jerk (twice)
a nasty, nasty person
douchebag
twat


...all on top of people explaining why his actions are inadvisable and reminding him he is a criminal and the behaviour is anti-social and destructive. Those things alone were enough without the insults flying.

Like many of us, he has self-esteem issues, name-calling just drags people down further.


I didn't name-call and agree that isn't helpful



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17 Mar 2013, 9:58 am

It's interesting that a lot of people who are quick to condemn car keying are also people who complained about getting in trouble for sexual harassment in other threads. The question is, which is worse? Sexual assault against a human being, or metal assault against paint?

Yeah, I know I have issues, and I am working on getting help for them. Many other people here are far more quick to blame their problems on everyone else. At least I admit that there's nothing wrong with society, and that the problems I have are all my fault. But it's still interesting that I don't remember people calling Fnord a terrible human and a sociopath being for sexually harassing his receptionist.

I thought Asperger's was about lacking empathy and not following social rules. It would seem that the subject of this thread fits both of these. At least I have never keyed poor people's cars, so I do have some empathy.