What do you most detest in people?

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throwing away people with no excuse at all.

This exactly!

Well I think I've collected enough data on "most AS people have a huge need to believe/prove/signal they are empathically moral just like neurotypical people".

Totes appreciated as collecting that info was the main point here and so many people have been throwing spontaneous effort giving evidence for my preferred outcome.

Thank you!

What makes you convinced we are not "empathetically moral?" Do you assume we all share your lack of empathy?

I posted what I actually felt. I have no desire to "prove" anything.

Nope. I think AS people are exactly like neurotypicals morally discounting only for alexithymia. I just think all empaths have this need to feel/believe/show/signal how moral they are when actually it only really applies to their in-group and when its convenient. Morality's just a thing that evolved to keep the tribe together and the massive emotional investment people have in their self-image as a "good person" doesn't translate into being nice to most people any time it matters

I think you are extremely off base here. I don't want any being (human or otherwise) to suffer whether they're in my in-group or not or even if they deserve it or not.

Yep

People with antisocial personality disorder often find it extremely difficult to imagine that other people function differently than themselves. Perhaps that is a factor in your evaluation of the morality of others, since you have admitted you have none yourself. Your understanding of what motivates the actions of other people seems to be severely limited.

I think in sociopathy it's more of a matter of "not caring" then "not knowing". In fact some higher-functioning sociopaths allegedly have strong "cognitive empathy" (meaning they're able to intellectually understand others' feelings).

The theory of mind problem in autism makes it hard for autistics to understand that people think differently than them, but that problem in empathy isn't the same as "sociopathy" since it's more or less a lack of knowledge rather than intention to inflict harm.

I don't think it is a lack of empathy that causes this situation, though--i think it is cognitive, perhaps one might even say, a philosophical thing. Sociopaths have a certain way of looking at the world, and many of them need to believe that most other people are actually as empty as they are so they can go on. They would be too immersed in depression or despair without it. They tell themselves lies like "all love is a lie," because they haven't ever felt it--because to admit that while they haven't felt it themselves many other people do would be to admit they are missing out on something essentially human, and it is easier to convince themselves that the concept of love is a lie or delusion that all humans operate under and then they are not missing out on anything except a delusion and a lie. They will rationalise and tell themselves it's all about brain chemicals and oxytocin and dopamine receptors running a game on our conscious minds, so they don't have to contemplate real human connection and how they can't make any.

They think social contracts (like morality/ethics) serve no purpose in the formation of these connections (because the connections don't really exist) and that they are simply a manifestation of games and lies (the social jostling which is the expression of nature in all species of life, the "survival of the fittest" dressed up dishonestly as "civilisation") rather than the necessary structures for societal functioning and trust-building between individuals. They can't understand how concepts like altruism fit into Nature when it comes to animals that live in groups (like most primates including humans), how such concepts could be useful to survival and therefore evolutionarily advantageous. They see these things (altruism, human connection and bonding, belief in social contracts) as weaknesses. They don't see strength in unity and cohesiveness in populations, they see dependence and vulnerability. Altruism makes no sense to them logistically so they think it makes no sense period.

Could be - some also pose as altruistic to blend in, like cult leaders such as Jim Jones.

Yes--many think of that as "winning" the social game, because they think they are some of the only individuals who "see through the lies" to the truth of the social game, and that they dominate those around them because of this "secret vision of the truth" that they possess. They think they are strong because they avoid the weakness of interdependence, they think it makes them superior to the rest of us, and that we are all vulnerable to them because we can't see through the shared delusions; in their view, this makes us ripe for manipulation and exploitation. They see us as puppets and themselves as puppet-masters, pulling strings behind the scenes--they see themselves as the ones with all the power, and they like it that way.

In fairness I kind of view things that way, at least in the sense that a lot of typical people outwardly seem to spend too much time "following the herd" and don't think much about life's deeper meanings, and that most renowned people in history (whether successful leaders, artists, scientists, musicians, etc) didn't accomplish the things they did simply by following the crowd all the time or just "doing what mommy and daddy wanted" them to.

If everyone was a sheep there would be no shepherds.

Well, if you want to know what antisocial spectrum people actually think, may I politely suggest just asking the antisocial person in the room? I'd very much appreciate it if you'd remember that we're people with feelings too, not just objects to be talked past like we're not even there. I'm a human being, not a cardboard antisocial stereotype out of a popular TV series. I'm not a laboratory animal. And please remember that if you've met one antisocial person, you've met one antisocial person. We're not all the same person—we're different people with unique individual personalities. We're also hated by society and forced to hide ourselves for being something we didn't choose. Just like many of you.

I'm a sociopath. I'm also a university-educated bisexual woman, a high-functioning autistic, a child abuse and sexual assault survivor, and a moderately successful businesswoman in my early thirties. Being sociopathic is one part of my identity and doesn't define who I am.

Some of the things you've read about us are true, some of them are overgeneralisations, and some of them are false and unfair. I would very much like to have a civilised conversation to move beyond stereotypes and clear up which is which.

People aren't normally officially diagnosed as antisocial unless they've committed some types of crimes and are required by courts to undergo evaluation.

So this is just a self-diagnosis rather than official one, right?