Why is there hesitancy to get the jab ?

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27 May 2021, 10:34 am

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From the news reports I have heard and read, most of the cases of blood clots seemed to involve women of "childbearing age", who may have also been using oral contraceptives, which are known to elevate the incidence of blood clots in some women.


I'm childbearing age and I'm on the contraceptive pill, so I suppose my risk of getting blood clots from the vaccine is higher. :( The vaccine could kill me.


So stop taking the pill for a few months so you can get both shots while not on oral contraceptives IF the shot available to you is one that has increased risks of blood clots for women on the pill.


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27 May 2021, 10:39 am

Um, it's not that simple to just stop taking the pill. You're a guy so you wouldn't understand.

Just as I've plucked up the courage to actually get the vaccine I've totally lost the courage again and now I'm going back into panic mode.


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27 May 2021, 10:42 am

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Um, it's not that simple to just stop taking the pill. You're a guy so you wouldn't understand.

Just as I've plucked up the courage to actually get the vaccine I've totally lost the courage again and now I'm going back into panic mode.


How is it not that simple to stop taking a birth control pill? :?

Don't put the pill in your mouth and swallow it every day - Boom! That simple.

Start again a month after your 2nd vaccination shot.


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27 May 2021, 10:48 am

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From the news reports I have heard and read, most of the cases of blood clots seemed to involve women of "childbearing age", who may have also been using oral contraceptives, which are known to elevate the incidence of blood clots in some women.
I'm childbearing age and I'm on the contraceptive pill, so I suppose my risk of getting blood clots from the vaccine is higher. :( The vaccine could kill me.
Your chances of experiencing a blood clot caused by a coronavirus vaccine are about 4 in 1 million (about 0.0004%), based on global statistics.

Your chances of dying from a coronavirus infection are about 20,700 in 1 million (about 2.07%), based on global statistics.

You are more than 5,175 times more likely to die of a coronavirus infection than a blood clot caused by a coronavirus vaccine.

Yeah ... I do not like needles, either; but I got the vaccine anyway.



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27 May 2021, 10:50 am

I'm sorry you're in panic mode, Joe.

Even amongst women who take oral contraceptives, the incidence of blood clots is less than 1 in a million

According to an article in the British Medical Journal, one is 10 times more likely to get a blood clot if one gets COVID than if one gets the vaccination. And it is exceedingly unlikely that one will get a blood clot if one gets COVID.



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27 May 2021, 11:00 am

goldfish21 wrote:
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Um, it's not that simple to just stop taking the pill. You're a guy so you wouldn't understand.

Just as I've plucked up the courage to actually get the vaccine I've totally lost the courage again and now I'm going back into panic mode.


How is it not that simple to stop taking a birth control pill? :?

Don't put the pill in your mouth and swallow it every day - Boom! That simple.

Start again a month after your 2nd vaccination shot.


You just don't understand. Only other females taking the pill will understand what I mean. I am not going to waste my energy trying to explain things to a guy who is taking it so literally.


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27 May 2021, 11:02 am

I'm on a waiting list for my jab finally.


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27 May 2021, 11:36 am

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Um, it's not that simple to just stop taking the pill. You're a guy so you wouldn't understand.

Just as I've plucked up the courage to actually get the vaccine I've totally lost the courage again and now I'm going back into panic mode.


How is it not that simple to stop taking a birth control pill? :?

Don't put the pill in your mouth and swallow it every day - Boom! That simple.

Start again a month after your 2nd vaccination shot.


You just don't understand. Only other females taking the pill will understand what I mean. I am not going to waste my energy trying to explain things to a guy who is taking it so literally.


What's difficult to understand?

Stop taking pill, refrain from having unprotected sex, start taking pill again once you're comfortable doing so after your 2nd vaccination.

Pretty simple problem and solution.


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27 May 2021, 11:41 am

Joe90 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Um, it's not that simple to just stop taking the pill. You're a guy so you wouldn't understand.

Just as I've plucked up the courage to actually get the vaccine I've totally lost the courage again and now I'm going back into panic mode.


How is it not that simple to stop taking a birth control pill? :?

Don't put the pill in your mouth and swallow it every day - Boom! That simple.

Start again a month after your 2nd vaccination shot.


You just don't understand. Only other females taking the pill will understand what I mean. I am not going to waste my energy trying to explain things to a guy who is taking it so literally.


I'm not a female & therefore won't fully understand yet I can perhaps help shed some light on the matter;

https://www.healthline.com/health/birth ... l-benefits

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Hormonal birth control is a lifesaver for many women trying to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Of course, nonhormonal methods have their benefits too. But hormonal birth control, including the pill, some IUDs, implants, and patches, offer a range of benefits beyond pregnancy prevention.

1. It regulates menstrual cycles
Hormonal birth control methods may balance the hormonal fluctuations that happen throughout your cycle. This can help with a variety of menstrual issues, including irregular or heavy bleeding. It can even help with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) symptoms, including acne and excess hair. Learn more about the best birth control for PCOS.
While the various birth control methods work differently, most can make periods lighter and more consistent in their timing.


2. It makes periods less painful
About 31 percent of women who use birth control pills cite menstrual pain as one of the reasons they continue to take them. Hormonal birth control prevents ovulation. When you don’t ovulate, your uterus doesn’t experience the painful contractions that cause cramps during ovulation.
If you have painful periods, hormonal birth control may also provide some relief for pain during menstruation.


3. It can banish hormonal acne
Hormonal fluctuations are often major acne triggers. That’s why acne is usually at its worst during adolescence. By minimizing these fluctuations, hormonal birth control can help to tame hormonal acne.
Birth control pills that contain both estrogen and progesterone (known as combination pills) are the most effective acne fighters.


4. It reduces your risk of uterine cancer
Hormonal birth control also has some long-term benefits. Women who take combination birth control pills are 50 percent less likely to get uterine cancer. These effects can last for up to 20 years after you stop taking the pill.
It can also reduce your risk of ovarian cancer.


5. It reduces your risk of ovarian cysts
Ovarian cysts are small, fluid-filled sacs that form in your ovaries during ovulation. They aren’t dangerous, but they’re sometimes painful. Women with PCOS often have a large number of small cysts in their ovaries. By preventing ovulation, hormonal birth control can prevent these cysts from forming. They may also stop former cysts from regrowing.


6. It can relieve symptoms of PMS and PMDD
Many women experience some mix of physical or emotional symptoms in the weeks or days leading up to their period. This is known as premenstrual syndrome (PMS). Like most other menstrual issues, PMS is usually due to hormonal fluctuations.
Hormonal birth control is also a potential treatment for premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). This is a type of severe PMS that tends to involve more emotional or psychological symptoms. It’s often hard to treat. But a combination pill containing drospirenone and ethinyl estradiol (Yaz) is approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for treating PMDD. It’s the only birth control pill to receive FDA approval for this purpose.

Just keep in mind that experts are still trying to fully uncover all the underlying causes of PMS and PMDD. Adding to this, different birth control methods have different doses and combinations of hormones. You may need to try a few options before you find the one that works for your symptoms.


7. It helps to manage endometriosis
Endometriosis is a painful condition that happens when the tissue lining your uterus, called the endometrium, grows in places other than inside your uterus. This tissue bleeds during your period, no matter where it’s located. When the tissue bleeds in places where blood can’t easily get out of your body, it causes pain and inflammation.

Hormonal birth control methods help because they allow you to skip periods. Continuous birth control pills and IUDs are usually good options for managing endometriosis.


8. It can help with menstrual migraines
A migraine is an intense type of headache that affects almost 30 million Americans — 75 percent of those being women. This is partly because hormonal changes are a major trigger for migraines in some people.
Experts think menstrual migraines are linked to a drop in estrogen and progesterone just before your period starts. Hormonal birth control methods that allow you to skip your period, such as a continuous pill, implant, or IUD, can help to avoid this drop.


9. It gives you the freedom to bleed on your own terms
For most menstruating women, bleeding is just a fact of life. But it doesn’t have to be. Most packs of birth control pills come with a week of placebo pills that don’t contain any hormones. They’re just there to keep you in the habit of taking a pill every day. Usually, you’d get your period while taking these placebo pills.

If you have a big vacation or other event coming up during that week, skip the placebo pills. Instead, start a new pack. This method works best if you take monophasic birth control pills, which all contain the same dose of hormones. Read more about skipping the last week of birth control pills in a pack.

Other methods, such as IUDs, rings, and patches, can help you skip your period altogether.


10. It can reduce your risk of anemia
Some women experience very heavy bleeding during their periods. This can increase the risk of anemia. People with anemia don’t have enough red blood cells to carry oxygen around their body, which can cause weakness and fatigue.

Hormonal birth control methods that allow you to skip your period can help to prevent period-related anemia.


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27 May 2021, 11:49 am

Uh-huh, and? So go back to a natural state for a few months & practice abstinence. Put up with a few pimples or an irregular period IF you're worried about drug interactions w/ a covid shot.


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27 May 2021, 4:38 pm

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Uh-huh, and? So go back to a natural state for a few months & practice abstinence. Put up with a few pimples or an irregular period IF you're worried about drug interactions w/ a covid shot.

I can't decide whether you accidentally or deliberately don't get it.
But from what you have said here that decision may not be relevant given how the trend of your comments indicates trolling more than ignorance.


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27 May 2021, 5:02 pm

I don't think he's trolling. He's a guy. Guys don't get periods so they don't know how badly it can affect a woman's life and that some women have no choice but to go on the pill. It isn't just about sex. I don't like to talk about it here as it's my personal business, but if Goldfish did know my medical history then he might understand a bit more why it's easier said than done.


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27 May 2021, 5:09 pm

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I don't think he's trolling. He's a guy. Guys don't get periods so they don't know how badly it can affect a woman's life and that some women have no choice but to go on the pill.

Actually, some of us guys do know, and/or are related to women, and sometimes several women, who have had to do that. And even two women who had to have a hysterectomy before complications from endometriosos killed them.
We of course don't have personal experience with those things but we have seen up close and personal what it was doing to them.

And maybe it is merely because of my personal experience there, I'm not buying an ignorance excuse, I'm calling it willful misogynistic trolling.


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27 May 2021, 5:38 pm

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I don't think he's trolling. He's a guy. Guys don't get periods so they don't know how badly it can affect a woman's life and that some women have no choice but to go on the pill.

Actually, some of us guys do know, and/or are related to women, and sometimes several women, who have had to do that. And even two women who had to have a hysterectomy before complications from endometriosos killed them.
We of course don't have personal experience with those things but we have seen up close and personal what it was doing to them.

And maybe it is merely because of my personal experience there, I'm not buying an ignorance excuse, I'm calling it willful misogynistic trolling.


I'm not saying every guy doesn't understand, but I don't expect a guy to understand if they can't, whether they're Aspie or NT or other ND. I could have a chat with a doctor about my concerns because I don't want to be given the wrong vaccination where I might get blood clots and die, because of being vaccinated against a virus I'll probably be asymptomatic with (not saying definitely as nobody knows how the virus will affect them but there is a high chance that I will survive the virus without any long-term effects).
I think it's just the fear that once the vaccine has been injected into me there is no turning back, and then if there are suddenly more reports of women my age getting blood clots then I'm going to panic and wish I had never had the vaccine.


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27 May 2021, 5:44 pm

As Fnord pointed out, if you’re worried about statistical probabilities of bad things happening you’d simply eat the vaccine. There’s a way higher chance of getting seriously ill or dying from covid than there is of either happening from any of the vaccines.


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27 May 2021, 7:45 pm

You never know how COVID will affect you. It's a funny virus that way. I wouldn't take my chances with this virus.

I'm lucky COVID didn't affect me that much.